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To: thames_sider who wrote (19943)	12/16/2002 7:39:35 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 104216

Demonstrating re-use: today's thought, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Evidently Bush, Poindexter and Ashcroft would call this man a traitor and a betrayer of the Reich - oops, sorry, Homeland. Author? Benjamin Franklin. (C) Message 18340322 ts@givemelibertydon'tgivemebush.com

To: thames_sider who wrote (19943)	12/16/2002 1:27:51 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104216

ts- yes. that's the one. glad that you and joser are here to give the americans a clear perspective. it is quite true that repetition over a long period of time can screw up the thought process. especially when you're surrounded by many others with the same indoctrination and confusion. this revenge, and homeland security, and war on terrorists crap only makes sense if you abandon the fundamental beliefs and values of civilized peoples... fer instance... 1) a universally applied system of law and justice that allows for due process and fair trials by a jury of peers. (declaring a state of "war" is nothing more than a declaration of the suspension of law and due process.) 2) the faith and courage to live and act on the "golden rule" as a law of nature. (IMO, it is the only way to live a "liberated" life -- life without liberty is not worth living). most of the rhetoric, policy and action coming from the current US administration is directly contrary to these two principles. the majority of american citizens are supporting it. a prescription for failure. it's painful to watch. it's like seeing your children cheat on their homework or do something you know is wrong. sometimes you have to let them fail for their own good - if they won't heed your warnings. the majority of american people are supporting this administration's policies of their own free will. we are a representative democracy and change is as easy saying "NO" and casting a ballot. it's certainly not comfortable to be in the minority on policy that has such potential for disaster. the only consolations to me are that, 1) on the whole... around the globe... it appears that i may be aligned with the majority. 2) if that's not the case and the majority of mankind is not aligned with above stated principles i'm convinced that natural law is perfect in design and that any path toward disaster will eventually be corrected by the lessons learned from the pain of the results of that disaster. ever thang gonna bee all right... eventually :-) -polvinski