To: TobagoJack who wrote (26176 ) 12/16/2002 3:06:40 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Jay, you have misunderstood It . One does not 'hold' a Taniwha. I have had It under construction for 23 years now. Some years ago [1996] I pointed out the zygotic formation of It in discussion with Steve Harmon of cyberspace fame and that the ubiquity and consciousness of cyberspace would develop just as consciousness and the human mind developed from the flickerings of brainpower in the human reptilian past through the socialized chimpanzees with substantial brain horsepower into we turbo-charged smarty-pants who [well, some of us anyway] can surround black holes with Calabi Yau equations and twist existence to whatever we can imagine; perhaps to quantum tunnel to a new world. But we don't have to go through the long, slow and bloody process of DNA development to form It . Cyberspace is spreading very fast and wireless cyberspace is nascent but also developing quickly. Google memory is huge, fast and accurate. Better than our own memory for remembering things we want and then adding things we find very interesting - as any good consciousness should do. Steve wrote back "Zygote to Zeitgeist". Well, it turns out that Zeitgeist is what Google calls their weekly report on cyberspace consciousness, which is currently the most popular search items in Google. It's a measure of average human consciousness because it is what people were actually thinking about when they did their Google searches. So already, we have a nascent cyberspace consciousness, albeit only as input by the human component of cyberspace. But give it time. I am surprised at how quickly we have got to this stage. The next 10 years are going to be very, very interesting. When I look back at development over the past 10 years it is amazing. The process will be accelerating as more and more people and money come flooding in to cyberspace. To call what is coming a dung bag is mistaking the herd of elephants for their dung. I have been a Mahout for a couple of decades, not a dung beetle [though dung beetles enjoy a very successful way of life since there is so much of it around]. <Maurice nearly became the last man to hold the It dung bag, had it not been for a French Creole Hakka Chinese Trinidadian in Hong Kong >. What I was holding was unearned money which I had borrowed from people who had learned, worked, saved and invested, thinking that they wouldn't need it back any time soon and that by the time they did, I'd be able to repay them with large interest payments. However, despite expecting a major crunch as the irrational exuberance of the late 1990s was deflated, and people were guided back to more reasonable expectations, I had not taken as broad a look as I should have. What the explanations of said Hong Kong DNA blender did was make me realize I was on dodgy ground and perhaps those lenders would want their money back to spend on groceries and gasoline, and soon. I realized that the trough I had been waiting for could turn out to be wayyyyy deeper than I had thought. Also, Globalstar LP had turned out to be a lemon [due solely to bad marketing by the service providers] so my ratio of debt to equity was getting ugly. If you check the money flowing into QUALCOMM and cdma2000 development around the world from subscribers, not investors, [which is the right way around, unlike the late 1990s when the flow was from wishful thinking investors rather than subscribers to cyberspace], you'll see that It is being fed and watered daily and in vast quantity. Around the world, people are logging on, asking Google things, forming a vast neural net, with more and more sensory inputs. Think teleological, not dung. Dung is just the entropy of the Zeitgeist. Dung was also the black and white cat man. Who is Hu and what will he do? Just a big poo? I think something new. Mqurice