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To: tejek who wrote (156280)	12/17/2002 12:48:09 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578704

I did a google search and did not find anything on Byrd re racism. Unbelievable. Try going to Google & putting in "KKK" and "BYRD". You ought to find plenty. Jeez.

To: tejek who wrote (156280)	12/17/2002 12:49:42 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578704

I don't know Al Sharpton Do you not get ANY news? You don't know Al Sharpton? Running for the presidency. Caught on videotape in a drug deal. Racist? You don't know him. Unreal.

To: tejek who wrote (156280)	12/17/2002 4:10:00 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578704

I am suggesting that he does not have enough of a track record for us to just assume he knows what he is doing and that he is doing a good job. You think this but it doesn't stop you from complaining that he has done a bad job... The track record is not extensive yet but it's enough to tentatively suggest that he has done a good job. Real analysis wont be possible until after his presidency is over probably years after. What is my paranoid fantasy? That he will start a war with Iraq? If so, its hardly a fantasy nor is it terribly paranoid........ Its sort of a fantasy in the sense that he wouldn't be starting the war but that was not what I was talking about. I was talking about your war of conquest claims and your other implied claims about Bush being possibly being a racist with a huge hidden agenda. Someone on the right is also called a conservative. Its not unusual to interchange the words that way. As for Hitler, his politics was considered to be on the right of the political spectrum; therefore, its considered that he shared ideologies with other conservatives. The point is the word conservative itself means different things. If you want to stipulate that "on the right" means the same thing as "conservative" then the same holds for on the right. So the fact that you can apply the same label to two different people or things does not suggest that they are in anyway similar. In this case I wouldn' even apply the same label, but even accepting the conventional thought that you should it doesn't mean there is any real simularity. None of Hitler's major ideas are major ideological ideas are major ideologies of Bush. I think Bush and Hitler are sometimes compared because they both have taken an aggressive stance with their enemies. However, I don't believe Bush is another Hitler..........I think its an exaggeration to make a point. Its not exageration its fabrication, or to be generous its an error. A reactionary is one who wants to make things like they were in another era. By definition, both Bush and Hitler are/were reactionaries. If you mean they wanted anything to be like it was in a different era then perhaps a majority of the world is reactionary. If you mean they wanted everything to be exactly like it was in any other specific era then neither Bush nor Hitler is a reactionary. If they where reactionary about the same thing then you would have a strong paralel, but otherwise the statement is so vague its almost meaningless. If you look at what they actually did, little of it was directed at making things like what they used to be. Hitler wanted to conquer Europe, Germany had never ruled Europe. Hitler wanted a Europe without Jews. Jews had been part of Europe for ages. While I agree J. Jackson is a racist, I thought we were talking elected officials. Byrd is an elected offical and his former membership in the KK is well known. Cynthia Mckenny was and elected offical. The others I mentioned did run as democrats. I suppose taking a page from your book I could ask how do I know that the rest of the Democrats don't follow the lead of people like these? But I won't seriously ask the question as I think it foolish except perhaps as a rhetorical device. Its one thing to suspect like you suggested above; its another to say you know. I not sure this administration can discern the difference. Its not just a matter of suspicion, there was literally tons of evidence found over multiple years. Tim