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To: LindyBill who wrote (62344)12/19/2002 4:50:13 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 281500
 
Here is the second article. A different view than what we have been posting, at least as far as the acceptable result.

THE REALIST



Winning the Fight Without Losing the War

December 11, 2002
By Dimitri K. Simes
Dimitri K. Simes is the President of The Nixon Center and the Publisher of In the National Interest.



The first issue is what to do about Iraq, specifically Saddam Hussein. In my view he has to go. I think that he will make plenty of blunders--if we play our cards right--to provide a plausible pretext that will allow the United States to remove him. With a modicum of creative diplomacy and some humility in presenting our evidence, I think we can succeed with minimal necessary international support.

Why does he need to be removed? I believe that Saddam is a special case. We are still technically at war with him. We have evidence that he tried to assassinate former President George Bush. It is quite clear that we are not able to reach any kind of modus vivendi with him. If this administration decided to make a deal with Saddam, something along the lines of "we leave him alone if he leaves us alone," coupled with more perhaps more intrusive inspections--but essentially if we agree to allow him to be just another Middle East tyrant, that is not going to work. It is not going to be accepted by the American body politic. In the practice of international relations when you deal with a serious adversary you either try to cut a deal or you crush him. I don?t see as us prepared as a country, not simply this administration, to make a deal with Saddam Hussein. That means he has to go.

The second question concerns our goals. Here I am a little uncomfortable with the direction of the discussion--how the removal of Saddam Hussein is the first stage in the grand reshaping of the Middle East according to American specifications. (1) This is not because I don?t prefer democracy to tyranny--I voted for democracy with my feet. However, we have to be concerned about winning a very important fight, but losing an even more important war. And that raises a fundamental question in my mind.

Former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov (2) who is also, among other things, an experienced Middle Eastern expert, drew a parallel with the Soviet experience. He said that in his view the most unfortunate thing that happened to Soviet foreign policy was the American defeat in Vietnam coupled with the Soviet victory in Angola. It gave the Soviets an impression of invincibility--the belief that they could walk on water, at almost no cost. And we all know what followed.

I do not believe in simplistic comparisons. It is obvious the United States has incomparably greater resources than the Soviet Union in the late 1970s and a much broader reach not only militarily but also economically and culturally than the Soviet Union at that time. But I am worried that we might learn the wrong strategic lessons from a likely tactical success. I thought that our campaign in Afghanistan was a clear case. Following 9/11, we had to go--we had no choice. We engaged in a military campaign in Afghanistan because the Taliban, by refusing to turn over Osama bin Laden and dismantle Al-Qaeda, posed a direct threat to the security of the United States.

I think that Iraq is a more complicated matter. On balance, I do think that we need to remove Saddam Hussein and decapitate his regime, and this will require the use of force. But I am concerned when people want to use a war in Iraq as a tool to achieve larger goals beyond removing the present, immediate danger.

Why is it not preferable, for example, to foment a coup d'etat, where Saddam might be removed, in one way or another. A new group of generals could rise to power as the ruling junta, allow unfettered inspections, and end any threat posed by the Iraqi WMD program. That would be, in my view, the neatest solution. I don?t know if it is feasible or not, but somehow I have a hunch that the President of the United States would not mind it if it were to occur. But if this was not possible, I would look for something closer to that model than a grand, ambitious scheme requiring a long presence in Iraq. In the name of promoting democracy in the Arab world, we would have to do things that would be looked at as rather nasty and would not be appreciated by the population we are supposedly trying to help. In the end, we may find ourselves on receiving ends of those very things that we want to avoid by taking out Saddam Hussein.

Finally, I want to say that no one expected when the Soviet Union collapsed, the next existential threat would arise from Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. I think that what we are dealing with today is a combination of Muslim extremism and a global backlash against the United States. If we behave in a manner that encourages this global backlash, I have no idea where the next threat will come from. But I can only tell you when I go to Moscow, it is the younger, well educated people, many of whom studied in the United States, who are more anti-American than the older generation. I think that much of this can also be seen in China. So, it seems to me that we have to be quite careful in finding the right balance. We need to remove Saddam Hussein from power and liquidate his weapons of mass destruction. We need to ensure that a post-Saddam regime is something better for the people of Iraq--even if it is not a democracy. After all, the Soviet regime post-Stalin and the Chinese regime after Mao Zedong, even if not liberal democracies, were still immeasurably better. Finally, we need to lay the foundation that will permit the United States to gracefully, but fairly quickly, exit post-war Iraq, under suitable international cover, if possible.
inthenationalinterest.com



To: LindyBill who wrote (62344)12/21/2002 11:51:25 PM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Interesting articles. I lean much more toward the opinion presented in the Simes piece, partly because it is closer to my own preconceived point of view, partly because his arguments are more solid than those Krauthammer presents.

Krauthammer refers to the war in Afghanistan as "the template" for a war in Iraq, with no reference to the obvious and considerable differences between those situations. If he feels that those differences are not so significant as many believe, he should have presented a case for that; failing to acknowledge the differences weakens his argument considerably.

Krauthammer then declares that America's mission is to "reform the Arab world". Again, he ducks away from the obvious objections to this proposition. The closest thing he presents to an argument that this is a feasible proposition is this observation:

remember when it was said that Asia was resistant to democracy. It too had a "special culture" and there was no way that we could impose Western democracy. Yet, lo and behold, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong are examples of modernizing and democratizing parts of Asia.

He fails to note, of course, that none of these cases involved an attempt by an outside power to impose democracy. As an argument to support a US effort to impose democracy in Iraq or across the Arab world, this is extraordinarily weak.

In a 1300 word essay you expect an author to present the strongest arguments available. If these are the best Krauthammer has, I'd have to say his case is pretty weak.

The entire question of what the US can and should do to promote democracy and how that effort will interact with the more specific goal of reducing terrorism deserves a lot more discussion than it's been getting. There are a couple of interesting-looking articles in the new Foreign Affairs dealing with this issue: "Promoting Democracy and Fighting Terror" by Thomas Carothers and "Iraq and the Arabs' Future" by Fouad Ajami. I've only skimmed them so far; when I've had the opportunity to read them and think them over a bit I'll post comments here. I did notice that Carothers refers in his opening statements to "an incipient, albeit unsurprising, case of split personality: "Bush the realist" actively cultivates warm relations with "friendly tyrants" in many parts of the world, while "Bush the neo-Reaganite" makes ringing calls for a vigorous new democracy campaign in the Middle East." It of course seems odd to anyone who spent the '80s in Mindanao and Manila to hear Reagan's name associated with "ringing calls for a new democracy campaign", but I'm willing to hold fire until I read the whole thing.

I've an opinion or two on the subject myself (surprise, surprise), which I will presumptuously include.

Stuck in the lowland heat now, recovering from a day spent shopping in Manila. In the unlikely event that anyone is ever tempted to shop in Manila on the Saturday before Christmas, take my advice and roast yourself over a slow fire instead. It will be far more comfortable. Sailing tomorrow, then back to the mountains to entertain guests and maybe even write a post or two, sooner or later....