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To: LindyBill who wrote (62651)	12/22/2002 2:46:40 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Just catch the ones that say, "Hey Mohammad, who ya taking to the Suicide Bombing this weekend?" LOL! That's the irony. Those conversations about 9/11 were known in advance already, without Patriot Act / Homeland Defense legislation. Known not only by NSA/CIA and FBI, but several foreign intel services. For some reason sources within our gov't told American agents to stand down their watch over bin Laden, etc. That little problem doesn't get solved by increasing surveillance of Americans by their government, but by the reverse, greater surveillance of the inner incompetent and criminal workings of government by the American people. Since that surveillance of our government will take place primarily via the internet, until those questions get resolved, monitoring technology is more likely to be used to locate and suppress collective inquiry and become a threat to our security. We'll know if that's true, if some political essayist, "conspiracy nut", highly critical of Bush, gets raided for "terrorism" under the new Homeland Defense Act for purely political reasons... indybay.org voxnyc.com

To: LindyBill who wrote (62651)	12/22/2002 8:54:31 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

Just catch the ones that say, "Hey Mohammad, who ya taking to the Suicide Bombing this weekend?" Or even better try to round up every flight manual circulating, should be a snap... Or is it ? There are more than 66,000 airline pilots and about 650,000 private pilots in the United States today, according to aviation industry records. What the members of this vast and diverse group have in common is: They are continuously training and rehearsing their flight skills, a task that requires access to flight instructional material such as the suddenly dangerous B-737 CD-ROM disk that had fallen into my possession. How can the federal government deny basic flying information to civilian pilots? What does the government intend to do to restrict online purchases of such generic airline training aids? For that matter, what about unclassified military training manuals that are also readily available online and at surplus stores ? sftt.org