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To: KonKilo who wrote (62782)	12/22/2002 3:15:11 PM
From: paul_philp	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This is the standard of journalism you aspire too? And you question Judith Miller for not naming the date, time and location of her interview. Your critical standards seem to be pretty fluid. You wouldn't have an undeclared bias, would you? ;-) Paul famed Oscar-nominee (former UNSCOM weapons inspector) Richard Butler Hamza is also a Shiite. ... A popular catch phrase repeated by Iraqi Shiites is "We will murder all you Sunnis while you sleep". Hamza is ominously identical* to positions* Scott Ritter, UNSCOM's most aggressive former weapons inspector

To: KonKilo who wrote (62782)	12/22/2002 3:19:43 PM
From: KonKilo	Respond to of 281500

More on Hamza's Google: From an October 22, 2001 interview with CNN: cnn.com CNN: Do you believe there is any link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein? If so, should the U.S. resume attacks on Iraq in the name of stopping terrorism? HAMZA: I think there are several links between Osama and Saddam. The Iraqi ambassador in Turkey, Hajazi, visited Afghanistan, and met with Osama and his associates. He's a powerful figure in Iraq. There are several reported meetings between him and Osama's associates. Osama was sighted in an Iraqi hotel in 1996, by the lawyer for Arkan, the Serbian leader. [Regarding] the reported sighting by the Czech intelligence of Mohammed Atta, and the Iraqi intelligence agent -- to do this meeting, Atta had to drive from Germany and Czechoslovakia, a long drive, meet him, and go back. Which means it was an important meeting for supplies, coordination. It couldn't have been by accident. Many other meetings were reported between Osama associates and Iraqi intelligence. There are reports by Iraqi defectors of bin Laden's people being trained in Iraqi terrorist camps. They are credible stories, because they don't contradict each other. They confirm each other in types of training, places, the people trained. In a covert operation like this, you don't expect much more information. There will be no smoking gun. All sightings confirm a multi-layered coordination between Saddam and bin Laden, in terms of training, support, and supplies. That could have included anthrax. Conjecture, conclusion-jumping and hearsay are hardly the basis for expert testimony. I really do not want to spend any more time and bandwidth debating Mr. Hamza. Suffice it to say that I am this intellectually critical of all I read, not just of this particular gentleman. Let's move on.

To: KonKilo who wrote (62782)	12/22/2002 3:26:28 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

According to Scott Ritter...you are a liar. Thank you, SC, now we know where you are coming from.

To: KonKilo who wrote (62782)	12/22/2002 6:37:31 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You seem to have selected the most negative slam against Hamza you could find on Google - filled with cheap catty specious comments and charges. ... he has not been in Iraq since 1994. Eight years out of the country and the man thinks he is an expert. If Hamza had returned to Iraq since his defection he would be dead. It is accurate to refer to him as an expert. His expert status is based on his high level involvement in Iraq's nuclear weapons development program for two decades prior to his defection. That experience gives him personal knowledge of what nuclear material and intellectual assets were available to Iraq through 1994 and thus an experience base on which to make assessments re. what Saddam is likely to be able to achieve.