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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (20805)	12/23/2002 10:36:01 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Zonder. You said...." Not at all. I would like to have an intellectual discussion, based on the available information.".... That was my hope this time. I have said in the past that you appear to have a vast store of knowledge and I don't mind learning new things...even from you.... :o) You said...." I am no expert. However, I HAVE read the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah, unlike most others who post here. So I am at a better position to say what is part of the religion and what is not. .... Agreed. I do not doubt this. ....." I was enjoying this conversation. I am sorry to see that you have no more interest in continuing the discussion."..... I still have an interest. I asked...." What is the final reward in paradise for male muslims? "...... You replied....." What does the Muslim idea of Heaven have to do with anything? "...... It has to do with the sex part of the religion of islam. You said....." As with Christianity, Islam also says there is a place called "Heaven" for its faithful. There are long descriptions of it, and just one little sentence tells of wine and houris galore. So what, really? Is it any more stupid then the "crowns and thrones" (Revelation 4:4-11) or the "streets of gold as clear as crystal and walls made out of precious stones" (Revelation 21:18-21) of the Christian heaven? "..... Do you remember how you jumped all over me for saying that some of the verses in the quran were stupid? yet you do the same thing here. You said....." These are all STORIES, Lorne. Sorry to break it to you. Just because one sounds stupid to you (and so are the others), you cannot just embark on a crusade to change a major religion of this planet. "..... zonder, you are not breaking anything to me. I have been saying all along that bibles, qurans, torah are all stories written by man and are subject to errors. They are stories written as a means to govern humans and can be changed by humans. I have not embarked on a crusade to change a world religion. I have stated my opinions just as you and many others do is there something wrong with doing this? And anyway how did you arrive at that CONCLUSION " a crusade " I resent that. :-)