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To: zonder who wrote (18597)	12/25/2002 10:29:43 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

I agree. What I have said re desperation, poverty etc is that they are the reason why the Arab population in general support the terrorists. In order to fight terrorism effectively, the sources of this support need to be addressed. They are kept in this perpetual state of strife by their repressive dictators. The dictators in turn divert the blame to the west. The west has no interest in keeping these people down. The west wants and needs more democratic, middle class consumers around the globe to feed on. The lies fed to the a-rab populace by their dictators are just that...lies and islamic cult orientated programing. These poor a-rabs are saturated with it from birth. These backward countries must become true democracies. Don't you see? The root of the problem is the sultans and princes. Any government that attaches itself to royalty and religion is doomed to oppress the masses to maintain their demonic power.

To: zonder who wrote (18597)	12/25/2002 1:15:03 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

>>Let us look at the Chechens. They want their independence. (Not "opportunity" (aka money) as you suggest. If they had their own country, do you think they would continue to attack the Russians, whose army, by the way, has been occupying their land for a while now?<< Very good point. You are surely correct about the Chechens. Still, without indicting the entire Muslim religion, which I do not mean to do, you cannot discount the dangers of religious fundamentalism, which seem to be fueling violence in Nigeria (Miss World Riots), in Kashmir, India proper, Pakistan (bombings of churches or church-goers), and the Phillipines. If there is a growing Pan-Muslim nationalism at work, in which followers are exhorted to fight perceived enemies, how do we address this, if the root source is an indoctrinated belief that the "enemy" represents a hostile and evil culture that must be opposed, and if that "hostile and evil culture" is the western lifestyle and non-Islamic belief systems?

To: zonder who wrote (18597)	12/25/2002 2:00:37 PM
From: hdl	Respond to of 23908

merry christmas!

To: zonder who wrote (18597)	12/26/2002 12:16:49 AM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

I am wondering how today's sad news factors into your thinking on the causes of terrorism?: In Pakistan, two assailants shrouded in women's robes threw at least one hand grenade at a small Christian church in populous Punjab province, killing three worshippers — including at least one young girl — and wounding more than 10, authorities said. The church was holding a Christmas service when the attack took place Wednesday evening in the village of Chianwala, about 40 miles northwest of Lahore. All three of the dead and most of the wounded were women or girls; all were Pakistani, officials said. Earlier, Pakistani police found explosives and ammunition in a shopping bag hidden in bushes near a heavily guarded church in the capital, Islamabad. Church officials feared they had been the intended target of an attack, but went ahead with services. Security had been increased at churches around the predominantly Islamic nation, which has seen a string of attacks by extremist Muslims aimed at Christians. Security also was heightened in the Southeast Asian nation of Indonesia. Thousands of police were deployed in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, as Christians flocked to churches to celebrate Christmas despite warnings that Islamic extremists might target places of worship this holiday season. Worshippers had to pass through metal detectors and police searched their bags before they could attend services at Jakarta Cathedral, which sits opposite the city's huge Istiqlal Mosque. Indonesian police seized 550 pounds of a fertilizer usable in explosives that they said was to be delivered to a fugitive bomber. They said the cache of ammonium nitrate seized in Palu, about 930 miles northeast of Jakarta, was much bigger than the amount detonated in devastating blasts in Bali's nightlife district on Oct. 12. Those explosions killed 192 people, most of them Western tourists. In eastern India, a gang armed with crude bombs attacked a Protestant church on Christmas Eve, wounding six people and robbing hundreds of worshippers. The 20 assailants set off several bombs, then grabbed valuables from the congregation and raided a church safe before fleeing when officers arrived.