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To: William B. Kohn who wrote (63083)12/25/2002 6:27:20 PM
From: quehubo  Respond to of 281500
 
You want to talk about sleepers? What better cover than as a student. How many years under cover through grad school?

Last I recall the recent US census revealed there are 8 million illegals here in the USA. I dont know what it will take to get real hyper vigilant on the legal visas and migration, but I still cannot grasp why we are not going gang busters against illegals.

It seems allot of the cells that have been busted have all contained legal immigrants though.

I suspect when we have another major attack and find the terrorists we all here legally we will have gained the political will to take some appropriate measures.

If SA sets the standards for Arab Islam, we should ensure Arabs are treated no differently applying for visas here than an female American Jew would have getting a visa to study over there.



To: William B. Kohn who wrote (63083)12/25/2002 6:27:39 PM
From: kumar  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<it seems so easy to get in,>

not at a normal university. I know folks that had admissions with scholarships, who were turned down by the US consulate overseas.

The beurocracy in terms of paperwork takes at least 6 months.



To: William B. Kohn who wrote (63083)12/25/2002 6:30:44 PM
From: kumar  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
another point : the vast majority of students come here to study, learn, and lead a better life.

A few bad apples in a crate is not a reason to throw the crate out.



To: William B. Kohn who wrote (63083)12/26/2002 1:53:49 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
speaking of saving US blood, how about not outfitting our troops defective equipment. Army audit reports gas masks defective
Chemical weapons alarms also on the fritz
sfgate.com
Kathleen Sullivan, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, December 26, 2002
As American troops prepare for a possible war with Iraq, the Army is downplaying an internal report that says more than half of its gas masks and nearly all of its chemical weapons alarms were either "completely broken or not fully operational."

Capt. Benjamin Kuykendall, an Army spokesman, said the 2001 report by the U. S. Army Audit Agency "does read pretty bad."

Kuykendall said the Army was addressing the problems it uncovered, but said many defects could be fixed in the field.

"Honestly, anytime you take a look at a gas mask, you'll find that it has little tears, or that the air filter needs to be changed," he said. "Those are things that soldiers can repair."

A soldier is taught how to test his gas mask, Kuykendall said.

"If it doesn't work, he's going to tell somebody," Kuykendall said. "He will go to the NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) guy and say: Hey can you fix this?"

He said technicians could also fix malfunctioning alarms.

Kuykendall said Army auditors would only have been satisfied if they had found all the gas masks in showroom condition.

He said even a small tear -- say, in the hood that fits over a gas mask -- would render it "defective" in the eyes of auditors.

"As crude as it sounds, a soldier could fix that tear with duct tape," Kuykendall said.

Kuykendall said the Army had improved its alarms but acknowledged that they might still misfire.

"It's better to err on the side of false positive than to be blissfully ignorant and sleep through a cloud of gas," he said.

Kuykendall said the Army would also rely on roving reconnaissance vehicles, which will test the air constantly.

"If there was a chemical cloud headed toward the troops, they would warn the troops," he said.

He said the first method of defense against areas contaminated with chemical agents was to avoid that terrain -- if at all possible.

"If there's no military reason to proceed, nothing tactically significant to go into, we would avoid the area," Kuykendall said. "Obviously, if we had to go in for a military essential target, we would get into the suits and go do it."

Last month, the U.S. General Accounting Office, which has scrutinized the Pentagon's chemical defense program for six years, said "serious problems still persist" in its ability to safeguard soldiers against chemical and biological weapons.

"While we have found that (the Department of Defense) has made some improvements -- in equipment, training and reporting, and in the coordination of research and development activities -- we have continuing concerns in each of these areas," the GAO said.

The GAO said the Pentagon "could not easily identify, track and locate" defective suits in its vast inventory. Last July, the Pentagon could not account for the whereabouts of 250,000 defective suits, the report said.

"DOD could not determine whether its older suits would adequately protect service members because some of the systems' records omit essential data on suit expiration," the GAO report said.

Cynthia Colin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the agency had done everything possible to find and identify defective suits and believed the 250,000 defective suits were used and discarded.

She said the Pentagon has substantially improved individual protective garments, gas masks and chemical detectors since the Gulf War.

Colin said the Pentagon has enough suits in its inventory -- including the 1991 model and the improved model -- to meet the needs of troops.

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PROTECTION AGAINST CHEMICAL ATTACK
Army auditors found that a large portion of the Army's supply of gas masks is defective in some way, with rips in rubber face-pieces, expired filters or malfunctioning valves. Here are the key components of a soldier's gear that are designed for protection from chemical attack:

HOW THE FILTER WORKS
1 Air first passes through an aerosol filter, which can remove biological particles such as anthrax which have a minimum size of Ð1 micron. Most filters remove particles as small as 0.3 microns.

2 Next, the activated charcoal filter removes certain organic chemicals. The activated charcoal is manufactured to have millions of openings on its surface. Carbon-based particles chemically attach to this surface and become trapped. However, once all the bonding sites are taken, the filter is useless and needs to be replaced.

Sources: GulfLINK; Virtual Naval Hospital; HowStuffWorks.com