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To: zonder who wrote (18622)	12/26/2002 2:41:40 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

>>when the US & NATO bombed Serbia without any UN authorization? I believe there was approval from the UN at the time. No, Russia would have vetoed it. There was no UN approval. The UN should have acted way before, I agree. Instead the Europeans said "this is our problem" to Bush 41, then sat around wringing their hands while Sarajevo was destroyed. The UN record during this period does not impress. Come again? Could you explain how the UN is "an unelected dictators club"?> The UN works on the principle of "one state, one vote" Most of the 191 states in the UN are dictatorships. You miss the whole point. Nah, I get the point fine. The point is that other weaker states may act in their own interest, but the "hyperpower" should not be allowed to have its own foreign policy without UN approval. What bit did I miss? Of course there are only two sides involved. Hamas et al are fringe groups that will be alienated as soon as there are separate countries, separate states, and hope of sustained peace. Hamas, who now own Gaza, is a fringe group? Hizbullah, who own Southern Lebanon and get $100 million a year from Iran, is a fringe group? Both ideologically committed to the destruction of Israel, do you think they would just disband if the Israelis withdrew? or would they take over instead? Remember, these are not democratic organizations, they do not need majority support, just superior firepower. You keep saying you come from the Mideast, how can you ignore the existence of these players? I asked your suggestions as to what kind of a peace plan could be implemented. I would be interested to hear your views on this. I don't think any kind of peace plan can be implemented until a) the Palestinians as a whole give up on the intifada as a winning strategy b) Hizbullah and Hamas are dealt decisive blows, both directly by the IDF and by cutting off their support (I think this also requires regime change in Baghdad and Tehran, and the cowing of their supporters in Riyadh and Damascus). Only then, when the neighbors have stopped pouring gasoline on the fire, can the diplomats make arrangements. I suspect the final deal will look something like Taba, probably not quite so good for the Palestinians territorially. Even then, it will probably require another Mandate to implement.