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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Investor Clouseau who wrote (20930)	12/27/2002 12:49:36 AM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

You are being very naive and being very funny! You say "Honesty is the best policy." Modern folks say, "Bah! That's humbug." The truth of the matter is politics is such a dirty game that no politicians can remain 100% honest for long. Take a good look at America. Way back in 1941, Roosevelt knew from having cracked the Japanese secret code that the Japanese were going to attack. Yet he kept that fact from his countrymen because he wanted to get everyone to support him in his war against Japan. So, when the Japanese attacked at Pearl Harbor, he called the attack a sneaky/sly/cowardly attack that must not go unanswered. And, as he had expected, he succeeded in galvanizing the entire country for war against Japan! Eisenhower lied about Americans not engaged in spying against the Soviets. Yet when Gary Power and his U2 spy plane was shot down, he admitted to spying on the Soviets. But he also added that spying was being done by almost every country as if saying that would excuse him somewhat. President Nixon's VP Agnew was found guilty of corruption and he had to resign in disgrace. Then the Watergate scandal broke and Nixon himself had to go but not before saying to the whole world, "I'm not a crook." Ain't that funny, eh? Closer to our time, we saw that President Clinton repeatedly lied about his involvement with Monica until his spunk's DNA nailed him for good. Before the Monica scandal he was involved in the Whitewater scandal. He was a pastmaster at the deny-deny-deny game. Though he was a consumate liar, the American people did not kick him out of office. Like it or not, it would appear that all Americans were dishonest in a way for not having booted Clinton out when he was caught lying through and through! Amd now you waxed enthusiastic about this guy and that guy being honest. What a joke! I believe you have a magnificent obsession and you are laboring under the delusion that you have a mission to tell others take Saddam is evil and so must be deposed, that not all Moslems are evil, and that Jews and Arabs have a destiny together etc. Don't pull wool over your eyes! Stop gathering wool in your upper storey. You will do well to read "The Prince" (The Art of Government by Artifice and Subterfuge) by Machiavelli, and "Politics Among Nations" by Hans Morgenthau. Then you will see why successful politicians had to be consumate LIARS!!!, that is they have to be DISHONEST. If the man at the top does not lie, then his underlings will do the lying for him! I.C., never, never take no wooden nickels!!!

To: Investor Clouseau who wrote (20930)	7/25/2003 10:48:04 PM
From: Investor Clouseau	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

I believe I insulted Kim Jong Il in a previous post, and I sincerely apologize for the insult. However, I will always believe in the bedrock principle of honesty. To:Investor Clouseau who wrote (20929) From: Investor Clouseau Thursday, Dec 26, 2002 10:34 PM View Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23492 Honesty is a bedrock principle in all cultures throughout the world. Though there are many cultural differences among the world’s populations, honesty is a trait held sacred by all of the good citizens of these populations. From the smallest village in rural Africa, to the heart of Beijing or the edge of Seoul, a person who upholds their word is respected, regardless of their nationality, personal wealth or social standing. Even a single act of intentional dishonesty by a national leader or national figure, is an acid that eats at the fabric of a society, and corrodes the tool of diplomacy. When the parasite of mistrust has attached itself to the heart, it inevitably leads to an apathetic selfishness, and also allows wild conspiracy theories to find a home in those that are otherwise sane and logical. This applies to both relations between a nation’s individuals, and relations between the community of nations. Without honesty, diplomacy is always doomed to ultimate failure, because there is no common ground from which lasting agreements can be made. There can be no well-intentioned diplomatic solution that is able to solve an international problem, when the very ground of the solution is constantly shifting beneath one’s feet. Kim Jong Il has made an agreement, and he has violated that agreement. North Korea is surrounded by an honest and honorable China to the north, and an honest an honorable South Korea to the south. Though it may take the rest of his natural life, and a great many lives of the North Koreans that he is unworthy to lead, Kim Jong Il must be isolated until he reacquaints himself with the principle of honesty. He has demonstrated his familiarity with honesty in the past, and he must be familiar with honesty again if he ever hopes to lead a prosperous and successful North Korea. This is also not for just the sake of his own country, but for the world too. Saddam Hussein made an agreement when he lost the Gulf War, and he has violated that agreement. Because his past actions have proven his true intent, he had to prove beyond any doubt that he had given up his weapons of mass destruction. He has failed to prove this to the concerned citizens of humanity. Because of his current actions, along with the evidence of his past actions, there is no alternative but that Saddam must be removed from any position that he may control the destiny of others, or threaten their safety. If we are to make the world into a better place for all members of the human community, we must ensure that the foundation principle of honesty, which is held sacred by all, remains strong and true. We can allow no appeasement while this sacred and universal principle is under assault, and thus while our collective integrity is being held in the balance. When dealing with an honest person who possesses integrity, anything may be discussed. IC