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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (1343)	12/31/2002 5:00:57 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

would be really and physically tortured? What I have read about this says that, if you have time, you get more with honey than vinegar. They have had a lot of success getting these Al Qaeda types to talk to our Army female interrogators. Are you sure you haven't been giving our Ladies lessons?

To: zonder who wrote (1343)	12/31/2002 6:11:30 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

True. However, it is our most valuable creation, one that sets us apart from mere beasts. At the first sign of threat, we really should not abandon it, I feel. I'd say that the WTC attack was a bit more than the first sign of a threat. Trillions of dollars in economic damage have resulted, along with the loss of thousands of lives in a gruesome manner. Are you saying that me poking the eyes out of an aggressor in a dark alley (after a kick in his family jewels, of course) is "losing my moral ground" in a way similar to physically torturing numerous persons, some of which might very well be innocent of any crime? Technically, under US law, an assailant is innocent until proven guilty. Thus, yes, you would not technically be kicking a "guily" person Victims have few rights, except the right to prayer for justice. So far as I'm concerned we have an enemy who is not American, and can't be expected to live by American values or moral thresholds. Thus, our thresholds can be selectively "detuned" to accomodate the value systems of those we are interrogating.. But again, I don't believe there is much physical torture going on in US interrorgations. I may be wrong, but my experience tells me no.. But as for the Jordanians, Egyptians and others, I can't really say... Nor do I really care... After all, it's THEIR countries and we really have no right to tell them how to conduct their interrorgations.. And they are on the front line of Islamic militantcy and years of experience in dealing with it.. They know what "pushes the buttons" of the militants in ways we Americans have yet to learn. Hawk

To: zonder who wrote (1343)	1/1/2003 10:06:16 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

zonder...re torture...was it torture or not when over 3,000 people were killed on 9-11. Burned, blown up, killed by glass pieces flying, and so many other terrible ways. The people and organizations wanted to cause death and injury. What happens to US soldiers and civilians when some of the murderers kidnap and or capture them...Somalia, Phillipines, Bali, Afghanstan, Iran, Iraq, etc.... How about hijackers who have taken our planes and our citizens and those of the world, tortured them for days, including killing one at a time in front of the others... What about the victims of these horrendous murderers? What would the rest of the world say if the accused were proven guilty, and then sentenced as if they were living in the country of their origin? Perhaps we'd have fewer people murder our citizens.