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To: American Spirit who wrote (1464)	1/2/2003 1:11:13 AM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 15987

Bush's Iraq War By Max Nofziger Austin, Texas; October 4, 2002: George Bush is determined to lead us into war. There is an eagerness -- bordering on desperation -- to initiate a conflict that is unseemly in an American president. Since Bush is hell-bent to stampede us into a long and costly war, we should at least have a serious, truthful discussion of the reasons we should begin such a terrible undertaking. We should realize that we may be taking the first step toward Armageddon. 1. The fundamental reason for war is to help Bush get re-elected. A war against Iraq will be Bush's strongest issue. He will get to campaign as Commander-In-Chief, a very powerful advantage. war will activate his core campaign contributors -- the Military-Industrial complex. "43" will not make the same mistake "41" did: Ending the war too soon. Cheney, Rumsfield & Rove will "manage" this war to peak "43's" popularity ratings on November 2004... Election Day. The bottom line is to win re-election at all costs. 2. Reason Number 2 is Oil. Bush/Cheney are oil men. When they got elected, the U.S. Oil Industry acquired a wholly owned subsidiary: the U.S. Military. War talk drives up the price of oil, providing a windfall for Bush's friends, who will then gratefully contribute to his re-election effort. 3. Control of Iraq -- a very strategically-located country. The U.S. will set up a puppet regime, which will allow U.S. control of Iraq. In addition to allowing U.S. control of the oil deposits, the puppet will also permit Iraq to become a military base. It is foolish to think that the U.S will spend billions and kill thousands invading Iraq, to then withdraw and allow Iraqis to choose a leader for themselves (maybe someone who hates America?) Don't be mislead -- we will be there for a very long time. 4. Reason Number 4 is the U.S. wants to use the nation of Iraq as a permanent military base. It is perfectly located to project American military power in Palestine, or anywhere there needs to be "Regime Change" (Iran? Syria?). The world's largest military base will allow the U.S. to control the world's oil, which we will use as a weapon. Once we control Iraq, we won't have to ask permission of all those little nations to base our military for operations in the area (so humiliating for a Super Power!) 5. The Palestinians could be re-located to a "New Homeland" in a part of Iraq. This would finally settle the Israeli/Palestinian wars. This is why Israel is so eager for the U.S. to invade, and why they are willing to accept increased threat to their people that war would bring. Bush is making great political advantage of all this war talk.... An actual war will give him even more advantage, and his political gurus know it. Americans will tend to unite behind a President running for re-election during a war, especially if the war appears to be going well. "Don't change horses in the middle of the stream."

To: American Spirit who wrote (1464)	1/2/2003 8:08:28 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

This the article you were talking about? The date isn't what you indicated but ... I've posted something like this on one of the oil threads. A free Iraq, which has oil reserves rivaling Saudi Arabia's, could - assuming adequate capital and technology is applied to develop the reserves - become as large a producer. Adding this amount of crude to the supply side would make it hard for OPEC to prop up the price. So are you saying the war on Iraq is a conspiracy by Big Oil to drive down the price of oil?

To: American Spirit who wrote (1464)	1/2/2003 2:02:38 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 15987

The leader of the London-based Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi, has met executives of three US oil multinationals to negotiate the carve-up of Iraq's massive oil reserves post-Saddam. This hardly suggests that US oil companies are going to seize sole control over Iraqi oil fields (as you asserted).. I mean... let's be logical... I'm a member of the Iraqi National congress, potential heir to Saddam's regime, and I'm going to just give US oil companies all the revenues and profits from these oil fields?? Hardly... However, I WOULD SEEK to associate with those companies who were my greatest supporters, and made me the best deal with regard to revenue/profits splits and what they promised with regard to rebuilding my oil industry.. But I'm not just going to hand over the keys and say.. "take what you want".. There's no way I could stay in power with that kind of logic.. Hawk