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To: Clappy who wrote (20493)	1/2/2003 10:39:07 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104157

I'm planning on seeing it again today. I'm still trying to figure out if it was better than the first, but it was the shortest 3 hour movie I've ever seen. I didn't notice the eyes, but maybe it is because Gimli is full of it. I think some of the orcs and Northerens have red eyes. I'll look again. As for the Ents, the tree guys, it gets laid out pretty well in the book. Treebeard is one of the very oldest beings on the planet. The ents are the guardians of the trees and the shepherds for the Hourns, the trees which move; they are somewhere between trees and Ents. The Ents are pissed because Sauraman and his orks are destroying the forest. (In the book, either Treebeard or Quickbeam, a young Ent not in the movie, I think actually has names for some of the destroyed trees). Lots of them were killed, going back to the first movie, to power the weapons factories of Sauraman. What made the orcs evil? They were created that way by Sauron and Sauraman, out of elves, years ago. Trolls are genetically engineered Ents. The Uriks, the baddest orcs, are orc/goblin crosses. Yes, they are being driven by the evil wizzes, who are driven by the ring and thoughts of power. What is Bush's excuse? A good site to get you started... theonering.net Don't try too hard to figure it out. Somebody just gave me a beastiary of Tolkien, which covers all the races, etc. The more I learn, the more complicated it gets, and the more confused I am. Tolkien ( his eleventy eleventh birfday is tomorrow)creatd his world in such detail; absolutely genius. If you have the books, read the appendix. Gimli ben Gloin

To: Clappy who wrote (20493)	1/2/2003 3:03:09 PM
From: lurqer	Respond to of 104157

Well finally back on. Trouble with my ISP. See the rat has already answered many of your questions far better than I would have. As for the orcs, they are by their nature, hackers and hewers of wood. Think of them as generic bad guys. Sort of a middle earth version of lower echelon black hats from the old ('50s and earlier) western movies. little dude has some serious issues to work out. Hopefully he gets a little bit of couch time in the next movie. Gollum's problems arise from having to much "ring time", before Bilbo retrieved the ring from his lair. If the next installment is true to the book, Gollum will be seen again - although I'm not sure I would refer to his role as "couch time". Actually the treatment of Gollum in the Two Towers Movie was IMO most impressive. In the scene where Gollum is catching a fish in the forbidden pool, the film started to jerk. Then the scene froze and two small brown spots appeared. After the briefest of pauses, the two spots exploded as the entire frame burned through. It was classic. Just like a movie of film burning. lurqer