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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Doug R who wrote (336217)	1/2/2003 9:23:22 AM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 769670

George W. Bush..... .....will be THE LAST PRESIDENT of our country as we have "mistakenly" come to know and understand it. I made this prediction in the fall of the year 2001 after 911. Peace, God Bless and Happy New Year! 119293!! ======================== Without Justice, their is JUST_US! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fw: Coxnews \| Campaign 2000 \| News Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:51:50 -0500 From: "linwood kelly" <beetovheen@msn.com> To: "Armagedon" <apfn@apfn.org> Bush and Cheney are from the same state. The presidental electoral votes from Texas are unconstitutional they cannot vote for them exceptone vote caselaw.lp.findlaw.com ----- Original Message ----- From: linwood kelly <mailto:beetovheen@msn.com> To: politex <mailto:politex@bushwatch.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: Coxnews \| Campaign 2000 \| News Read this George Bush received 32 electoral votes for candidacy. Dick Cheney received 32 electoral votes from Texas. The president and vice president cannot receive the same votes of electors if from the same state. Cheney got them and Bush got them. Did you notice after the elction Cheney changed his address to Wyomy. The electors if given all the votes to Cheney could not of vote for the president. If all votes went to Bush they could not voted for Cheney. They would have had to abstain. Thus Bush would become the president as republican and the vice president would have been the democratic vice president who run with Gore because he would got more votes or filibuster would have occurred.It doesn't matter. Cheney was resident of Texas when he was elected. 216.239.53.100 <http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:F-kTeGKvbpYC:www.coxnews.com/2000/news/cox/122000_electors.html+Electoral+votes%2BTexas+electoral+votes+for+president+and+vice+president&hl=en&ie=UTF-8> In U.S., electors' big day comes off with few hitches disc.server.com By Ken Herman and Gary Susswein/ Cox News Service 12-20-2000 In a year when one vote mattered, and on the day it mattered most, one was missing for a nervous moment when longtime GOP activist Ernie Angelo, chairman of the Texas electors, tallied them aloud. ''George W. Bush,'' Angelo said as he read the paper ballots one by one. He sent the Senate chamber into prolonged applause when he pulled the 31st ballot out of the black plastic box and signaled the end of the tally by saying, ''And George W. Bush.'' The problem is, Texas has 32 electoral votes. And Bush, going into Monday's nationwide vote by the Electoral College, had only one more vote than the 270 needed for victory. Again, it seemed, Bush backers had celebrated a bit too soon. ''We got nervous when we only had 31 (votes) for president,'' Angelo said after adjournment. ''One of the electors had put their vote in an envelope, so I opened that up quickly to find the 32nd vote . . . . It would have made a lot of difference, but it was there.'' Within hours of the Texas vote, which also provided 32 electoral votes for Vice President-elect Dick Cheney, the 2000 presidential election officially went for the GOP ticket when Nevada electors gave Bush their four votes and gave him the 271 electoral votes needed for victory. Hawaii cast the last votes, giving Vice President Al Gore a total of 266. Elsewhere, Gore's home state of Tennessee cast its 11 electoral votes for Bush, as expected. And Florida -- after five turbulent weeks of recounts and legal challenges -- kept its promise and cast its all-important 25 votes for the Republican. ''It was like, finally, we did it,'' said Mel Martinez, an elector in Florida, where members hugged and high-fived after the vote. ''It's like a close ballgame, and the clock ticks and your team wins.'' The Nevada vote closed the door on the remote possibility that a few ''faithless electors'' who had pledged to vote for Bush might upset his victory by casting their ballots instead for Gore. Across the nation, GOP electors resisted overtures by Democrats who wanted them to defect, a tactic rejected by Democratic nominee Al Gore. Gore lost an electoral vote in the District of Columbia when Barbara Lett-Simmons, 73, turned in a blank ballot as a protest against the district's lack of representation in Congress. With the Electoral College voting done for another four years -- and maybe forever if reformers manage to kill it off -- all that remains is for Congress to make the votes official Jan. 6. At the Texas Capitol, the voting offered a different kind of feel for a different kind of year. Bush supporters and others packed the gallery above the Senate to watch the proceedings. Republican activists Charles and Sandra Bush of San Antonio, distant cousins of the president-elect, donned their matching Texas-flag shirts for the occasion. They'd been planning since June to be here. ''We didn't have any idea it would be this close,'' Charles Bush said. ''I'll be a lot more satisfied when the votes are counted in the Senate on January 6.'' On the Senate floor, elector James Randall of Austin said he had been flooded by letters, e-mails and phone calls urging him to vote for Gore, something he said was out of the question. ''I was just so proud to do it,'' Randall said after voting for Bush. ''Governor Bush has been an excellent leader for the state of Texas. He's going to make a tremendous president.'' Elector Betty Hines of Texarkana said Democrats were wasting their time in trying to shake her vote from Bush. ''Not in any lifetime would I ever change my vote,'' she said, adding that the Electoral College session was an emotional experience. ''My heart was palpitating. Tears were running down my face, and it was such an honor.'' Elector Ken Clark of Galveston, in nominating Angelo for chairman, told colleagues, ''It's amazing the difference one vote makes, especially in this year.'' Texas Secretary of State Elton Bomer, a Bush appointee and close friend, opened the 55-minute session by noting that Bush will be the first Texas governor to move to the White House. ''He will follow in the footsteps of many other legendary Texans who have helped lead America to greater heights, including the late Lyndon Baines Johnson and a man who will now be referred to, I suppose, as the first President Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush,'' Bomer said. ================================================================== Bush and Cheney are from the same state. The presidental electoral votes from Texas are unconstitutional they cannot vote for them exceptone vote caselaw.lp.findlaw.com U.S. Constitution: Twelfth Amendment Twelfth Amendment - Election of President Amendment Text \| Annotations The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of voted for as President, and of all persons voted for and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-- The person having the greatest number of votes for be the President, if such number be a majority of the of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a this purpose shall consist of a member or members of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.--The person having the of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. Annotations Election of President This Amendment, 1 which supersedes clause 3 of Sec. 1 of Article II, was adopted so as to make impossible the situation occurring after the election of 1800 in which Jefferson and Burr received tie votes in the electoral college, thus throwing the selection of a President into the House of Representatives, despite the fact that the electors had intended Jefferson to be President and Burr to be Vice- President. 2 The difference between the procedure which it defines and that which was laid down originally the provision it makes for a separate designation by of their choices for President and Vice-President, respectively. As a consequence of the disputed election of 1870, Congress has enacted a statute providing that if the vote of a State is not certified by the governor under seal, it shall not be counted unless both Houses of Congress concur. 3 Footnotes [Footnote 1] A number of provisions of the Amendment have been superseded by the Twentieth Amendment. [Footnote 2] Cunningham, Election of 1800, in 1 History of American Presidential Elections 101 (A. Schlesinger ed., 1971). [Footnote 3] 3 U.S.C. Sec. 15. Electoral Votes fec.gov ELECTORAL COLLEGE Electoral College, the constitutional system for the ELECTION of the PRESIDENT and VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. It is name for a group of electors, nominated by political parties within the states and popularly elected, who meet to vote two offices. gi.grolier.com =================================================================== DISCOURSE ON VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE geocities.com

To: Doug R who wrote (336217)	1/2/2003 9:28:52 AM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 769670

US Congress: Constitution is "Inappropriate and Anachronistic givemeliberty.org 12-31-02 It Is Now Out In The Open In Congress: Constitution is "Inappropriate and Anachronistic." Only One Non-Violent Option Left For The People: It Is Un-American To Fund This Government The power to tax and the power to wage war are the two most potent enumerated powers; most sought after by government; most potentially harmful to individual Liberty; most in need of citizens’ scrutiny. As further justification for the People to stop sending money to the federal government, this article reports on the treasonous behavior that occurred in the halls of Congress on October 2 and 3. 2002, regarding the unconstitutional commitment of this nation to war. The government’s disdain and disrespect for the Constitution came out into the open on October 3, 2002, in the House of Representatives, during the second day of a two-day hearing on the Iraq Resolution (H.J. Resolution 114), "AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ." Congressman Ron Paul reminded the Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on International Relations that the Constitution required a congressional Declaration of War before the armed forces of the United States could be applied in hostilities overseas, not H.J.R 114, a congressional Resolution authorizing the President to decide if and when to apply that force. However, Chairman Henry Hyde is quoted, for the record, "There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one of them…There are things no longer relevant to a modern society…Why declare war if you don’t have to?…We are saying to the President, use your judgment…So, to demand that we declare war is to strengthen something to death. You have got a hammerlock on this situation, and it is not called for. Inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn’t done anymore…." The 50-member Committee then went on to vote against the substitute amendment offered by Rep. Paul, which read simply (after the resolving clause), "That pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution, a state of war is declared to exist between the United States and the Government of Iraq and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the United States Armed Forces to carry on war against the Government of Iraq and to bring the conflict to a successful conclusion." The Committee then went on to approve H.J. Resolution 114, which was eventually approved by Congress. If anyone has lingering doubts about the corruption of the Legislative and Judicial branches and the devolution of our Constitutional system of check and balances into the instrumentalities of the powers that truly run our nation, the proof is now put before you. The processes of limited government, defined by the Constitution are, indeed, no longer relevant and have been neutered to the extent that today only the shadow of a bona fide Constitutional government exists. Our legislative leaders and federal judges feel so comfortable working outside the Constitution that they now no longer even hesitate to talk of such matters on the record. They make contemptible judicial decisions and strong-arm the workings of the legislative process to achieve their ends, knowing that the tentacles of power will protect them, their careers and their benefactors. Indeed, the two most significant powers a People can grant its government are the power to tax and the power to commit to war. These are the most critical elements of government. As we sit today, our federal government is in gross violation of the strict limits the People have delineated around these crucial powers. As many know, this Foundation has led the foremost public challenge put forth to date, to enforce the 1st Amendment’s guarantee of our individual right to petition for redress of grievances regarding these matters. We have petitioned repeatedly regarding hundreds of specific legal and Constitutional issues surrounding the income tax system of this nation and put forth a petition publicly exposing the fraudulent legislative process that may shortly deliver this nation into war. On the question of moving the federal Judiciary to challenge the unconstitutional declaration of war, the Foundation presents for your review a summary of the lawsuit brought by Bob Schulz and several others in 1999 seeking redress, through the courts, for the unlawful application of the armed forces of the US in hostilities in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1999. Click here to read the Memorandum of Law, dated 7/7/99, written by Bob Schulz. Click here to read the Verfied Compliant, dated 5/28/99, against the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Any reasonable man would agree that every citizen has standing to sue if the cause of action is an alleged violation of the Constitution. In other words, the court’s determination of the constitutional question affects each and every citizen. However, the court’s have developed a "standing doctrine" as a way of avoiding certain questions. The standing doctrine says that for a plaintiff to have standing to bring an action he must show injury "different in kind and degree" from the injury suffered by everybody else. Otherwise, the court says, the plaintiff’s question is a "political question" for Congress to decide. The case against the use of force in Yugoslavia without a declaration of war was dismissed for lack of standing. In other words, according to the court, the plaintiffs had to take their complaint to Congress – the very people who violated the Constitution, and who obviously were not going to listen to the plaintiffs. In other words, Congress gets to change the Constitution (but in a way not authorized by the Constitution). Finally, to see how redress actually proceeds in the courts, please read the article by Stephan Archer of World Net Daily entitled "Balkans war suit thrown out. Judge dismisses lawsuit, says plaintiffs lack standing." On the matter of petitioning the Legislature about unconstitutional abuse of the law making process and their oaths of office, the Foundation offers an insightful analysis contributed by Mike Bodine analyzing the two-day October 2002, House International Relations Committee hearing "authorizing" (unconstitutionally) the President to initiate war against Iraq. Consider the full implications of the comment made by Chairman Henry Hyde: "It is fascinating to go back in history and see how our Constitution was drafted and what it means. There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one." Also of particular note in the proceeding’s transcript is Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) who, although brave enough to publicly, and aggressively, confront the Constitutional problems arising out of the Committee’s actions, failed to have the fortitude to actually vote for his own proposed amendment which was a direct, formal, and constitutionally proper, declaration of war against Iraq. The American People are witnessing the real-time meltdown of the Constitution. The judges aid and abet the process. The representatives know it is wrong. Clearly, it is past time for the People to exercise their unalienable right to wrestle an errant government back into the limits unambiguously prescribed in our Constitution. Indeed, the government’s refusal to grant redress at every turn leaves us but ONE peaceful option – keep our money out of Washington. In the October hearing referred to above, Chairman Hyde makes the following admission which he reiterates: "Now, the Congress always has the last word in war and peace because we control the purse strings." Not so. This Foundation reminds everyone that it is the People, not Congress, that ultimately control the purse strings. We The People have not just the right, but also the duty to protect our Republic from those forces that would destroy it. We must not allow the use of our own money to fund the destruction of that which so many of our countrymen have died for. We call on all Americans to join us, educate yourselves and your families and prepare to engage in a peaceful, but pro-active mass movement to stop income tax withholding, filing and payment across our land. History will attest to the moral certainty and righteousness of these actions. Together, we will stem the flow of the money that is enabling the silent overthrow of our Constitutional Republic. It is un-American to fund tyranny, treason and despotism. We love our country but we have come to despise our government because of its growing disrespect of the People and our Constitution. It is time to put a collective foot down against the government’s abuse of its power. STOP SENDING MONEY TO WASHINGTON DC. STOP FUNDING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SAVE THE REPUBLIC. Click Here to Read An Analysis Covering the Passage of the Iraq War Resolution givemeliberty.org Click Here to Access the Full Transcript of the Oct. 2/3 Iraq Hearing givemeliberty.org ===================== I was one of the participant-drivers on the We The People Congress's FREEDOM DRIVE 2002 which concluded on the Capitol Mall in DC on November 14, 2002. I support this positition: "Only One Non-Violent Option Left For The People: It Is Un-American To Fund This Government" That's it!! Period. Peace, God Bless and Happy New Year to All!! 119293!!