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To: hmaly who wrote (157256)	1/2/2003 10:23:56 AM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1580442

Why would they discontinue the suicide bombings? Its the only way they can keep the pressure on the Israelis. Pressure on the Israelis for what? The Palestinians were offered statehood, and guaranteed right to exist by Israel, if only Palestine guaranteed the same for Israel. Israel is NEVER, NEVER in 10,000 years, going to bow to this kind of "pressure". Their belief, as ours, is that you can't reward terrorists for their activities. Everytime they commit one of these attacks, it just increases the level of Israel's determination. It is baffling to me how some people can conclude that targeting school children is an act of people fighting a war for their "freedom" or their bit of land. These people are brutal killers. Cockroaches to be stamped out. Nothing more.

To: hmaly who wrote (157256)	1/2/2003 4:58:24 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580442

Ted Re..BTW this is not a test where I need to prove my mettle re issues of war and diplomacy, Sure it is. This is a talk board, where we all give our opinions, in the hope that everyone else here would recognize how insightful we are. Why else? Certainly it isn't for the money. You asked me for my opinion and I gave it. Then you want details explaining how my opinion is to be accomplished. I am not here to provide No one pays me to post here and certainly, no one pays me to provide the kind of detail you want. Going after al Qaeda will require good underground work by our CIA and FBI agencies. It will require patience and diligence and it will not be the relative walk in the park that deposing Saddam will be........and that's my point. Its my opinion that Mr. Bush wants to play hero and not do the grunt work needed to track down OBL. Your way has been the predominate way the US has operated for the past 100 years......with very mixed results. It may be time to try another way or at least be open to the possibility. LOL. Mixed results? The US is recognized universally as the most powerfull country in the world right now. As for another way, I supposed you are right. What did you have in mind. Daschles and Gephardts hugely successful methods of turning a majority position into also rans within 2 yrs? Are you talking politics or the US's position in the world? If the ultimate goal is to be the most powerful nation, then the US has been successful. If its to manage the peace successfully, then its been mostly a failure. OBL makes Saddam et al look like pikers and is the real threat to our democracy and well being. We need to concentrate most of our efforts there. We are not. In boxing, there is a saying that you must go to the body to cut off the head. What makes you think that Saddam isn't part of our war on terror. </IO> What makes you think he is? You ignore all the real data and rely on innuendo instead. I have explained the connection many times here. Why don't you explain why I am just being silly and that Saddam has no connection what so ever with terrorism. Also Saddam has killed thousands of times the number of people OBL has killed. I have said repeatedly in past posts that I am relying on British and American intelligence reports which state that there is no connection. This is not news but you all block out that info and rely on the unsupported allegations made by the current administration. I rather we talk about realities rather than suppositions. Okay, the reality of the situation is that Saddam gotta go, before we can set up a democratic, pluralistic, inclusive gov. with separation of church and state. It would be unlikely any succeeding gov. in Iraq, if left on its own, would possess those qualities. A gov. with those qualities would not be likely to support terrorism, and could in fact propel Iraq to the top of the Arab world, just as ours has propelled our economy to the most powerful in the world. If so Iraq, then why not Pakistan, Syria, Yemen etc........they're all very real candidates for the Axis of Evil.........just as bad as Saddam. If Saddam were the only problem, I might consider it but he is not. Link please. I have never once said Saddam was the only problem. I said Saddam exemplifies all of the problems existing in the Arab world, which are keeping the Arabs mired in poverty. Again, al Qaeda is the problem...how many times do I have to say it before you hear it. Why would they discontinue the suicide bombings? Its the only way they can keep the pressure on the Israelis. Pressure on the Israelis for what? The Palestinians were offered statehood, and guaranteed right to exist by Israel, if only Palestine guaranteed the same for Israel. Why on earth would the Palestinians have to keep the pressure on Israel, if the Palestinians got what they say they want; statehood, a guarantee of non attack by Israel, and the money to get established, including enough arms to defend themselves. Why the need for pressure. Read my past posts on the subject.......you're wasting bandwidth with your playing. That means his running commentary re Iran must stop. I think you know without needing a link that he makes remarks and value judgments re Iran when he is referring to the big 3 in the Axis of Evil. Let me get this straight, now you think that speech, and only speech is interference. Sort of like, if I say " I hope the Packers beat Atlanta sunday", I could be sued for interference. Well, it looks like you just threw diplomacy out the window; isn't that what diplomacy it, mostly speech. How about the UN, that is mostly speech, against that too? Yeah, that's exactly right.......sorry if your impact is much less than the President of the US but what he says has significant impact. <If you disagree, then in your own words.......link please? In reference to 9/11, Bush says al Qaeda and its network of cells is responsible. I don't see where he fingers Iraq. for the record, that's what I meant when I asked for a link supporting your allegation that Iraq is responsible for 9/11. ted