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To: elpolvo who wrote (20503)	1/2/2003 6:19:23 PM
From: Mannie	Respond to of 104155

Wolfie... yep, that's the one.. scoot

To: elpolvo who wrote (20503)	1/2/2003 6:50:49 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 104155

Since I never know what you've already seen. Message 18390238 lurqer

To: elpolvo who wrote (20503)	1/2/2003 7:46:11 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104155

i thought this was interesting: People like to believe in cause and effect, Prechter says, because they know it: Kick a stone, and it moves. "As a result, most people think that economics, politics and war and peace affect people's moods, but it's the other way around," Prechter says. "Social moods shape events." whether we like to admit it or not, our leaders shape the social mood - thereby shaping events. our former president was really good at promoting a positive economic vision - his credibility was damaged when he was caught in a lie about the lewinski affair. it wasn't the affair, it was the lie that ruined his credibility. he's still the same genius with great vision for america and the world... he just can't get anyone to listen anymore. our current president is NOT good at promoting a positive economic vision... or any other positive vision. he has little credibility to begin with. his reaction to the sept. 11 tragedy was tragic -- beyond the grandest expectations of the perpetrators. terrorism's goal is to invoke terror - not a day goes by that our current president does not remind us that we must put terrorism first on our agenda and in our minds and we must continue to engage in war and pre-emptive acts of terror to combat terrorism. the day we acted unilaterally and declared this "a national war" instead of "an international criminal event" was the day we lost all possibility and hope of controlling terrorism around the globe. if you believe that "Social moods shape events" then you can predict that as long as we have the current administration in the whitehouse things are going to be terror-able. unlike america's earlier years when our economy thrived because we had more than enough natural resources to meet all our needs and could pull in extra wealth by selling the excess to a few other countries -- we now thrive because we lead the world in information, computing, research and development and new technology that increases human productivity in every field. the success of our 21st century business model is highly dependent on nurturing and maintaining the satisfaction and trust of clients and business partners in every country of the world. we stopped doing that in january of 2001 when we installed (or the supreme court installed) an administration that jumped right back to the middle of the last century, into the old economy of controlling natural resources; mainly oil. that old game puts the wealth in the hands of the very few "old money, old economy" gas and oil boys who got one hellova big scare in 1998 when little nerds like yahoo, aol, inktomi, excite, amazon, and etc.com had their hands on enough cash to buy them and put them out of business and power forever. the "old economy" won't work in the 21st century because the "new model" has already jumped out of the bag. the "new model" for the united states is being gagged and stuffed back into the bag by the old graybeards, oil boys and war makers. the US economy is headed for a very hot kind of hell unless we quickly realize what's been done, stop it ASAP, and attempt to reverse the policies that were implemented and try to regain the trust of the world. (but, realistically, i don't give that scenario more than a snowball's chance in hell.) more likely, the US collapses economically, morally and physically and either the European Union or China builds out according to the new model for the new economy of the 21st century. this is not a disaster for us because the new model is globally all-inclusive and interdependent. we will have ample opportunity, as will all other people to participate and thrive - but we will be wounded from our fall and will not be world leaders - this is not a horrible fate. you walk in to the new century arrogantly, the world chews you up, spits you out and you walk out humbled. it's just like playing golf right? -18handicapperandrisingfast