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To: i-node who wrote (157340)1/3/2003 12:25:11 PM
From: Jim McMannis  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1580483
 
Why do they hate us so much? Do they hate Ted too?
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By PAUL HAVEN, Associated Press Writer

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Thousands of demonstrators marched in cities throughout Pakistan on Friday to protest a potential U.S.-led war against Iraq, prompting tight security around the U.S. Embassy and other sensitive sites.

About 7,000 people gathered outside the Madni Masjid mosque — the largest mosque in the Western city of Peshawar — chanting "Down with America," and "Long Live Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)."

In the central city of Multan, some 1,500 demonstrators gathered, some burning an effigy of President Bush (news - web sites) and chanting slogans against Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who has thrown his nation's support behind the U.S. war on terror in neighboring Afghanistan (news - web sites).

"We will destroy America if it attacks Iraq," said Salim Chohan, a local cleric in Multan. Another cleric, Qari Abdul Ghafoor, accused Musharraf of being "an agent of Jews and America."

While the rhetoric was heavy, there was no immediate word of violence, and the numbers of protesters nationwide were not especially high, especially in a country of 145 million people.

In the capital, Islamabad, about 400 people rallied outside the Red Mosque — the site of pro-Taliban protests in the past — some carrying banners that read "Yankees: Don't Spread Hatred in the Muslim World" and "Stop the Holocaust Against Muslims."

Several dozen police stood nearby wielding anti-riot shields and sticks; traffic was diverted and two fire trucks were parked at the edge of the crowd, but the demonstrators remained mostly calm. Demonstrations, each involving about 1,000 people, were also held in the southern port city of Karachi, the eastern city of Lahore, and the southwestern town of Quetta.

"We are nobody's slaves. We are slaves of Islam. We will fight, until America and its stooges are expelled from Pakistan," cleric Noor Mohammed, a member of the recently elected national assembly, told the crowd in Quetta.

The demonstrations were a result of a Dec. 21 call by hard-line Islamic leaders who won unprecedented support in recent nationwide elections. The religious leaders also called for shops to shutter their windows in allegiance, but it appeared that many were staying open.

Supporters say the marches are just a taste of the anger that an attack on Saddam Hussein's regime would cause in Pakistan, a deeply conservative Muslim country but a crucial ally in the U.S.-led war on terror.

"The American attack on Iraq will be an attack on the Islamic world," said Fazl-ur Rahman, a one-time candidate for prime minister and a leader of the Islamist coalition, called the Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal. "If today we cannot stop America from attacking Iraq, then tomorrow they will attack Iran, and then it could be Pakistan."

At the Peshawar rally, Rahman called on supporters to "become a great wall against America if Bush carries out an attack on Iraq." He told the emotionally charged participants of the rally. He called America "an international terrorist."

There have been a series of terrorist attacks on Westerners and Pakistani Christians since Musharraf's decision to side with the United States in its efforts to topple the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, and some fear the anger will intensify if America wages war on another Muslim country.

The U.S. Embassy said it was monitoring events, but was not unduly concerned.

"We're watching events closely," said spokesman Terry White. "But it's not accurate to say we're behind-the-barricades afraid. ... We've been security conscious for months."

Most Western embassies in Pakistan are already operating at emergency levels, with families evacuated after a grenade attack on a church in March that killed a U.S. Embassy employee and her 17-year-old daughter. In June, a car bomb went off outside the U.S. Consulate in Karachi, killing 12 Pakistanis. A suicide bombing in that southern city in May killed 14 people, including 11 French engineers.

Interior Ministry spokesman Iftikhar Ahmad said extra police were deployed outside the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad and consulates in other cities during Friday's marches.

Pakistan's government, which on Jan. 1 took over a seat on the U.N. Security Council, has been reluctant to discuss it's position on Iraq. But Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali urged his countrymen not to waste their energy defending Saddam Hussein's regime.

"Give a glance back in history, and see whether Iraq helped Pakistan during its times of crisis," Jamali said last week.

Even before Friday's protests got under way, tensions were heightened after a weekend shootout between American and Pakistani forces along the Pakistan-Afghan border. A U.S. warplane dropped a bomb along the border after a rogue Pakistani border guard shot and wounded an American soldier.

The U.S. military says the entire clash took place on Afghan soil, but Pakistan's government says only that it is investigating to see if the Americans crossed over into its territory.



To: i-node who wrote (157340)1/3/2003 12:56:26 PM
From: Alighieri  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1580483
 
If we could count on not having a weak liberal president elected at some future date, I would be totally supportive of a policy of containment for Iraq.

I hate to point out the obvious to you...we are were we are because a prior non liberal president who had a huge army in the Iraqi desert, the support of the entire world and the Iraqi army on the run decided to turn back . He must have also believed that Saddam could be contained. It's a good thing you have time to think before you write...a spontaneous discussion with you would be a barrel of laughs.

Containment failed miserably in NK while Clinton was in office. And now, we are faced with a much bigger problem as a result.

I can see that it is working extremely well with Bush there instead...LOL

Al