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To: Rock_nj who wrote (26885)	1/5/2003 3:33:49 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 74559

Rock, You are preaching to the choir here. <g> Yup, the GHP, the Gross Hypocrisy Party, is a blight upon democracy. No question about it. BTW, it is the Baker Act that declares private citizens engaging in foreign policy to be committing an act of treason. This is exactly what George Herbert Walker Bush did on September 18, 1980 while he was a private citizen and candidate for Vice-President of the United States. He flew to Paris, France and negotiated the early phases of what grew into the Iran-Contra scandal with Iranian officials. Treason, pure and simple. Or was that unholy and complicated? -Ray

To: Rock_nj who wrote (26885)	1/5/2003 5:55:14 PM
From: tony	Respond to of 74559

Thanks. We have internet, we can know all these facts.

To: Rock_nj who wrote (26885)	1/5/2003 8:43:55 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<there was a secret deal between the 1980 Reagan campaign and the Iranian government to ensure that the American hostages weren't released before Reagan took office in January, 1981. The hostages were in fact released just minutes after Reagan was sworn in. This act of treason is known as the "October Surprise", because the Reagan campaign was worried that Jimmy Carter would gain the surprise release of the hostages in October, just before the election.. > I doubt that. What was in it for the Iranians to support President Raygun, who turned Saddam loose on Iran and wrought havoc for much of a decade? If Jimmy Carter had won, I suspect the Iranians would have been better off. If I were the Iranians, I'd have let the hostages go before Raygun got his finger on the trigger because I suspect he'd have said "Look, I don't understand all that negotiating stuff about the hostages. If you don't let them go right now, I'm going to nuke you". I suppose the Iranians could see the writing on the wall and called it quits when Carter was booted. Now that Bush is running the show, we have a similar style of negotiating as Raygun ran. "Well, maybe Saddam is right about not having WMDs after all, but I'm gonna get him anyway and show everyone that messing with the USA results in major problems for the messors. He shouldn't have rewarded Palestinian suicide bomber families". Mqurice