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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (14351)	1/10/2003 9:22:27 AM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"if measly Carbon-based organisms like ourselved cannot possibly have come into being without the intervention of some higher being, then God must have been created as well" Of course we are all free to believe what we will, but I should point out that there is no particular logical basis to your IF...THEN construction here. In other words, on what basis do you believe that? What's your proof, etc? Namaste! Jim

To: zonder who wrote (14351)	1/10/2003 11:45:32 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

"That sort of logic has a major trap - if measly Carbon-based organisms like ourselves cannot possibly have come into being without the intervention of some higher being, then God must have been created as well. And so it goes. That response is as old as it is inaccurate and besides it completely missed the point I was making. Let me try again. First I was talking created vs eternal, uncreated and self existent. I guess that slipped your attention. Any thing that now exists is either one or the other. There's just not that many options. I don't believe an eternal regression of cause and effect is possible or scientific. If something has a beginning then it's created. If something is created then it either spontaneously jumps into existence out of nothing, or it's ultimate origins or cause, must be eternal and self existent. If the universe is the result of some action by an eternal and self existent something, then that something is either impersonal, (Pantheism) or personal, (God). Again there are not that many possibilities Whatever your explanation is it must account for the universe as we see it now. Personality and morality cannot be accounted for by an impersonal beginning, but a personal moral and self existent creator God does. Scientists don't really argue for something from nothing do they? I've observed that they usually find something in their nothing before they get everything. Maybe they should have asked Billy Preston first. In any case, true spontaneous generation is illogical and unscientific whether it's couched in scientific gobblygook or not. Greg