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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: CYBERKEN who wrote (341651)	1/10/2003 11:30:50 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Well, no,actually. THAT concept is ridiculous. America wouldn't be "finished" by any means at all. Black America would suffer a considerable amount of grief, grief that none of us would wish on them. But grief no less. Well you can keep believing this fantasy if you wish, but in fact there is no “them,” despite how it may appear from your point of view. Either it is “us” or there is nothing. If blacks suffer this atrocious grief, then every dang body is gonna suffer it. And even if you are successful in exterminating the entire race from America and could survive it, you will be left with yourselves and that would present its own severe punishment to you. The vector of American dissatisfaction would then point to some other group, perhaps Jews, who would then live in a country of snakes who might just as easily employ the same barbarism to solve its problems. Would you have black America ignore the dangers of separating itself and, essentially making war on the 9X bigger population with which it co-exists, and with which it OTHERWISE integrates with and becomes part of? If blacks successfully participated in our system such that they achieved monetary reparations, they would not be separating themselves at all. They would be acting like Americans with the defacto approval of America because the view has merit (though it is seriously and hopelessly flawed) and our American system wished to pass reparations on the merits. If then should be successful here, blacks would have acted properly. The fault would not be on them at all. The fault would be with the millions of Americans who hated reparations such that they wanted to kill over them, but failed to participate as the blacks did in the American civilization to counter the reparation proposal. Then who's the true racist here? You have managed to illustrate and demonstrate EXACTLY what I mean when I say that the charlatans of the American left are racists, and hold black America in greater contempt than the pre-Civil War slave traders and owners. I have done no such thing. The racists are those who would strike fear in, and participate in a race war against “anyone who is black,” as you have said, merely because liberal blacks seriously debate an idea that is rejected by others. What you are by implication claiming is that the American population is largely a severely racist population, a thing blacks have been claiming for centuries. It is essential to the posterity of the black community that they realize this about the left, and begin a determined move away from them.... I think this is correct, but not for the reason you claim. I think blacks should move from the left because the left’s philosophies do not help blacks help themselves. You think blacks should move from the left because ‘if they don’t, then one day whites are gonna murder them all, including the whites of the left.’ If you are correct, then America is already dead.