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To: JohnM who wrote (65355)	1/10/2003 9:18:54 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

First, test scores are not the best predictors of college performance. John, I have read article after article after article over the years that say SAT is the best predictor of College Performance of anything out there. You say it is not. What is the better predictor? Name it. Not a bunch. One that is better than SAT. categories such as alumni children which tend to get a pass on other criteria, also change admission criteria depending on program. Yes, the schools use other methods besides skin color to bring in students. Alumni and Sports are two of them. And guess what? If they don't have the SATs, they do not do as well either. No one I know ever did a serious comparison as to whether the median "difficulty" and/or standard deviation of "difficulty" varied more for those programs than others. No, and they won't either. It would be too revealing. Remember, the schools are trying to maintain the fiction that the Emperor has clothes on. Sowell is not a credible, repeat, critic Yes, he is. I have read the man's Biography. He knows the subject. He stated three things that you have not tried to refute. 1) " Bowen and Bok lump together those black students who were admitted under the same standards as white students with those black students who were admitted under lower standards." 2) "Their refusal to separate out those black students admitted under lower academic standards, combined with their refusal to let others get their hands on the data they used, so that others could make that separation if they wished, make the Bowen and Bok study an odd choice to rely on so uncritically as much of the media and academia have relied on it." 3) " Other studies have confronted that issue. At universities where the test scores of black and white students are similar, their graduation rates have been similar. At universities where there are wide gaps between the average test scores of black and white students, there are usually wide gaps between their graduation rates." Your response seems to imply that Sowell is making these charges and results up. Sowell is publishing a newspaper column here, not a book on the subject. But these kind of numbers that he has talked about are real, and are going to result in a change in the law, IMO.