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To: Solon who wrote (3646)	1/13/2003 11:13:28 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

Police Hunt Pantyless Woman By Grace Matsiko The Police are hunting for the girl (right) who welcomed the new year pantyless. She faces charges for turning up at the New Year’s street bash in Kampala without nickers. The photograph of the girl only identified as Jamel, appeared in The New Vision’s “Have You Heard” column on Saturday and on the front page of Bukedde, the leading Luganda daily. “We are considering charging her for indecent exposure. I will not let this lie. This was not sexual exploitation of an under-age girl,” an angry Inspector General of Police, Maj. Gen. Edward Katumba Wamala, said yesterday. “From the picture, the girl is mature. This is a case of indecent exposure,” the Police chief said. The girl was photographed during an end-of-year party organised by Cineplex Cinema on Wilson Road as she danced on stage. Thousands of teenagers attended the party. The girl’s skirt was tight and too short to shield her private parts from the the prying eyes of the revellers who included school children. In an interview yesterday, Katumba Wamala vowed, “We shall take her on.” Many girls have appeared naked on functions, particularly beauty pageants. newvision.co.ug

To: Solon who wrote (3646)	1/14/2003 11:58:09 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 7720

More Than 70 Percent Want Abortion Limits, Poll Finds. Issue: May 22, 1999 Nearly three-quarters of Americans think access to abortion should be limited in some circumstances, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll made public on May 5. The poll found that 16 percent of Americans think abortions should be illegal in all circumstances, and 55 percent said it should be allowed only in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. Another 27 percent said abortions should be permitted in all circumstances. The poll also showed that the number of Americans who describe themselves as "pro-choice" is dropping, while the number who call themselves "pro-life" is rising. The number who said they were pro- choice fell to 48 percent. Three years ago the number was 56 percent. The number who considered themselves pro-life went from 36 percent three years ago to 42 percent. The poll found that the number of Americans who said they favor making partial-birth abortions illegal rose from 55 percent to 61 percent over the past two years. Those who wanted to keep partial-birth abortions legal dropped from 40 percent to 34 percent. In another development, the Alan Guttmacher Institute reported that the teen abortion rate had declined from 45.7 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 19 in 1986 to 34.9 in 1996. Figures from the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention explain the decline, according to Helen Alvare, director of planning and information for the U.S. bishops' Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities. She notes that "from 1990 to 1997 there was a 21 percent decline in high school teen-age boys who reported having sex in the previous three months, and a 20 percent decline in those reporting that they ever had sex." A spokeswoman for the Guttmacher Institute attributed 20 percent of the decrease to decreased sexual activity among teens and 80 percent to more effective use of contraceptives. findarticles.com In an October 2000 Gallup poll, 77% of Americans supported a ban on partial-birth abortion. In other Gallup polls, this number has approached 89%. A 1998 poll conducted by the New York Times and CBS News found that 78% of Americans support making it illegal for a minor to obtain an abortion without parental consent. A Gallup poll finds the proportion even higher, at 88%. frontpagemag.com

To: Solon who wrote (3646)	1/14/2003 12:19:31 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

They are perfectly relevant, insofar as they place the burden on you to show that you have a privileged view of what is right in this instance. Instead, you lapse into incoherence. Thus, you assert that:"The social contract with the State permits rational people to allow legal exceptions to being touched under stringent conditions.", then hope to talk your way out of the hole by denying that an exception is an exception, in order not to make the admission that not killing a child is a far more important reason than collecting evidence in a criminal case to make an exception. Then you go off on a bombastic speech about how bad I am for saying that government is in the morality business. As I stipulated, something which is not broadly consensual, but dogmatically grounded, is surely out of bounds, and a lot of things it would be unwise to attempt to regulate. However, there is nothing unconstitutional about laws concerning prostitution, or even sodomy, whether or not they are wise; nor gambling, nor drug use, nor pornography, although as a society we have taken more indulgent attitudes to some of these things. I am sorry, the Founder's would agree with me. In any case, my point is that you are making moral judgments whether you are forbidding stealing or forbidding child pornography, and that in many instances, we are adopting policies that reflect the kind of society we would like to promote, rather than merely upholding rights, which, incidentally, are nothing if not moral claims. If you ever decide to have a rational conversation on the subject, let me know........