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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (11624)1/11/2003 11:56:57 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Quote for the day...

"Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions"

-Oliver Holmes



To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (11624)1/12/2003 12:53:05 AM
From: PartyTime  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
George, the Ellsberg interview was right on the mark!

If you've got opinions on what's happening, please feel free to share them on the below thread relative to the war:

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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (11624)1/12/2003 9:49:44 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Focus: The Iraq crisis

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Hawks sit out phoney peace while war machine rolls on

The UN weapons inspectors' first report on Iraq found no 'smoking gun' to trigger a US and British attack. But the appearance that peace has broken out is deceptive

Kamal Ahmed in London and Ed Vulliamy in Washington
Sunday January 12, 2003
The Observer

On the second floor of the United Nations headquarters building in New York is a drab briefing room with two chairs at the front. It is the venue for 'closed door consultations' between the UN's Iraq weapons inspectors and the 15 members of the Security Council, including Britain and the United States.

Last Thursday at 10.45am, Hans Blix, executive chairman of the inspection team, settled into one of the chairs and called the meeting to order. Before him were 15 ambassadors, including Sir Jeremy Greenstock of Britain and John Negroponte of the US. The atmosphere was tense.

The occasion was Blix's first interim report into whether Saddam Hussein has been complying with UN resolution 1441 calling on him to allow unfettered access to inspectors searching for weapons of mass destruction.

If the hawks thought this was to be the moment when Saddam would finally break the trip wire and that military action would follow they were to be disappointed.

'Evidently if we had found any "smoking gun" we would have reported it to the council,' Blix said. 'Similarly, if we had met a denial of access or other impediment to our inspections we would have reported it to the council. We have not submitted any such reports.'

It seemed an open and shut case. Blix had not found any evidence of weapons of mass destruction. And neither had he been frustrated by Iraqi efforts during the inspections. Military action, it appeared, was a receding possibility. Over the last seven days it has appeared as if peace is breaking out all over the place. Tony Blair said that it was time for a patient approach to the issue of Saddam. Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, said that the chances for war were now 60:40 against rather than the 60:40 for that had been supposed just before Christmas.

Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, made similar comments. 'The odds have gone down for war,' one US official told the Washington Post. 'We don't have a good war plan; the inspectors have unprecedented access to Iraq; we have just started giving them intelligence; we have to give them more time to see how this works. There is no reason to stop the process until it can't proceed any further.'

Around the world the atmosphere was cooling. In Germany, where Blair arrived for a dinner with Chancellor Gerhard Schröder last night, diplomats were making their opposition to military action clear. 'We subscribe to the recent statement of the [UN] Secretary-General that the inspections should continue and for that reason there are no grounds for military action,' said Günter Pleuger, German Ambassador to the UN, who will take over as chairman of the Security Council next month.

Turkey, a 'front-line state' if any military action is taken against Iraq, has also made clear its opposition to any unilateral action by the US or Britain without UN sanction. Saudi Arabia, Syria and Egypt also have grave misgivings

Blix went further. His interim report on Saddam and chemical and biological weapons, due on 27 January, was not a 'deadline' but merely an 'update' on what one UN official called an 'ongoing process'. In America there is now talk of 'slippage' in any military timetable. Blix's next summary of Iraq's weapons will now not be until 1 March.

All the events seemed to point in one direction. The appearance is that Saddam is starting to wriggle off the hook; that the world has started to wobble. But, speaking to officials closely involved in the military build-up for possible military action in the Gulf, appearances can be deceptive.

At lunchtime yesterday, HMS Ark Royal set sail from Portsmouth for the Gulf. The message was not lost on those watching: here is a country preparing for conflict.

In what will be the biggest military deployment since the Falklands conflict, the Ark Royal will spearhead a force of 5,000 naval personnel and 3,000 Marines. Ostensibly it is there for an exercise in the region, long planned. But appearances can be deceptive.

The inclusion of HMS Ocean and her amphibious escorts in the Ark Royal fleet, and the conversion of the Ark Royal effectively from an aircraft carrier to a helicopter carrier points to an amphibious operation. There is only one reason for those changes: an attack on Iraq.

'What we need to do is produce a credible force to influence Saddam's decision-making,' said Admiral David Snelson, asked by the al-Jazeera Arabic television station if he had a message for the Iraqi President. 'I think it was Kofi Annan [the UN Secretary-General] who said "where diplomacy works, diplomacy works a lot better when it is backed up by force".'

Officials in Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence said that people had 'got the wrong end of the stick' over Blix's comments and Blair's statements on the need for patience. Although one official said that the week had been marked by 'cock-up and confusion' over the central message on possible military action, he said it was clear which way the wind was blowing.

'We know he has got weapons of mass destruction,' said one well-placed No 10 source. 'If Blix finds anything, then that will be a breach of the resolution; if Blix's work is frustrated, then that will also be a breach.

'Saddam has to actually disarm or we take action. The last few days has seen a concerted effort to say that 27 January was not D-Day. Some people have engaged in wishful thinking about what that actually means. But we are still clear where we are going.'

Sources admit that the public have been left confused. On the one hand Geoff Hoon, the Secretary of State for Defence, announces the deployment of troops and the calling up of reservists. On the other Straw says that a non-military response to Saddam is now more likely. When Hoon was asked about Straw's comments, he said that they had been 'unhelpful'.

'We have a clear objectives document which is made up of three strands,' the Downing Street official said. 'First, support for the UN and UNMovic [the inspection team]; second, a credible military build-up, should military action be necessary; and third, a move forward on the Middle East peace process. Now, clearly Jack is going to speak more to the first of those strands while Geoff is going to more aligned to the second.'

The Government is convinced that, far from being a doveish response, Blix was far tougher than was reported. The full minute of his opening statement last Thursday reveals growing frustration at the way Saddam is operating.

'Iraqi officials have sought to construe the prompt access which has been given to inspection teams and the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have been found as confirmation of their assertion that there are no weapons of mass destruction,' Blix said. 'The matter is, of course, not that simple.

'The absence of "smoking guns" is no guarantee that prohibited stocks or activities could not exist at other sites, whether above ground, underground or in mobile units.'

Blix was joined in the briefing by Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency. ElBaradei said that Iraqi attempts to buy aluminium tubes were 'consistent' with rocket manufacture rather than a nuclear programme, again seeming to pour cold water on chances of a conflict.

But still the oil price rose on the day of his comments as the markets felt war was more likely. Why? Because ElBaradei also said that Saddam had failed to provide the 'pro-active co-operation we expect'. The demands on Saddam are growing.

UN sources said that, at the end of the meeting, British and US officials made it clear Saddam had to engage in pro-active co-operation 'or else'. Or else what? Or else military action is 'inevitable', said one official. There is now more confidence among US and British officials that the UN will provide the trigger, obviating the need for unilateral action.

'We are aware that this is an extremely difficult argument but, at its most basic, is the UN going to do something about a man who consistently flouts UN resolutions or is it going to become a nouveau League of Nations?', said one government official.

This week will see a significant ratcheting up of the UN pressure on Saddam. High-level air reconnaissance flights will begin over Iraq, joining the helicopter fleet which arrived in the region last week. Blix, after visiting London, Paris and Brussels to discuss intelligence swaps, will make his first visit to Baghdad since the inspections began.

The US administration had swung behind Powell, insisting that the passage to war must proceed through the UN.

But in recent days those who speak for the Pentagon - markedly former Deputy Secretary of Defence, Richard Perle, now a powerful influence from outside the administration - have insisted that the inspectorate process with which they have been so impatient need not prevent the US from going to war, whatever it produces. Pentagon officials echo what is said to be Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's view that there is no stopping the US pursuing its interests, however it sees fit.

The number three at the State Department, John Bolton, even said: 'There is no such thing as the United Nations. There is only the international community, which can only be led by the only remaining superpower, which is the United States.'

Rumsfeld himself is reported to see Iraq as the test case for his new 'pro-active' view of how the Pentagon should be reshaped and how America should mould the planet to its chosen order.

Even the smallest signals are pointing in one direction. In Cyprus, where UN weapons inspectors have set up their main field office, the authorities are bracing for war. 'Yes, I think it will happen,' said the island's Foreign Minister, Ioannis Cassoulides. 'They [the US and Britain] seem pretty determined.'

Asked what his personal feeling was about the possibility of military action against Saddam, one British government official said that 'it was still more likely than not'.

The focus will now be on Blix and his next report. If that doesn't produce the material breach, then another report will be provided on 1 March. If there is still room for manoeuvre, then Blix will report again during the summer. Each will be a possible trigger.

observer.co.uk



To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (11624)1/14/2003 3:47:05 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Bush Doesn't Want Good News

The White House craves a fight with Iraq, the facts be damned.

By Robert Scheer
Columnist
The Los Angeles Times
January 14, 2003

Headlines tell us that United Nations arms inspectors have failed to find a "smoking gun" in their ongoing, unimpeded search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Yet the Bush administration, like a peeved child, has treated what should be good news as nothing more than rain on its war parade.

President Bush wants his war, and the inveterate hawks in his administration simply spin the glaring lack of evidence into further proof of Saddam Hussein's dangerous chicanery.

This week, it was Richard Perle, a top defense advisor, telling the BBC that inspectors had no chance of finding the alleged weapons and that if they aren't discovered "there will be military action."

It's truly frightening when facts don't matter as a nation prepares for war. Once the bombing begins, any search for truth will end. Now is the time to question a pattern of egregious distortion of the facts on the part of a White House that apparently feels it needs a war to retain its fading popularity.

The most dangerous of these distortions is the administration claim that it has evidence Iraq is close to developing nuclear weapons. Remember, for example, those aluminum tubes we heard so much about as the president beat the drums of war? "Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons," Bush told us. Surely his advisors must have had at least an inkling that, as an International Atomic Energy Agency report stated, they were the wrong kind of tubes for producing nuclear weapons materials. The IAEA report also states clearly that Iraq would find it very difficult to develop a nuclear weapons program while inspectors were present.

"I hope the U.S. does not know anything we do not know," IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei told Time magazine in an interview published Sunday. "If they do, they should tell us. If they are talking about indigenous capability, Iraq is far away from that. If Iraq has imported material hidden, then you're talking about six months or a year. But that's a big if."

One assumes that as part of his education, Bush heard the tale of the boy who cried wolf. Not only is the credibility of the United States jeopardized by false alarms, but in U.S. dealings with Iraq they undermine international efforts to accurately monitor the proliferation of nuclear weapons by subjecting the standards of international science, as represented by the U.N. inspectors, to the parochial requirements of our national politics.

Nuclear bombs remain far and away the most serious weapons of mass destruction, in a ghoulish category all their own. Even a regional nuclear war, say, between enemies Pakistan and India, would threaten the planet. Pakistan's weapons and delivery system were developed in cooperation with North Korea, which our intelligence agencies believe has two nuclear bombs and the ability to make more soon. If North Korea further develops its nuclear capacity and continues to market that technology abroad, it will move us in the direction of a conflagration. Yet, to the U.S. administration's credit, and rendering even more irrational the obsession with going to war with Iraq, Bush now wants to find a diplomatic solution with Pyongyang.

Of course, it does not look wise in hindsight that upon taking office, Bush abruptly broke off historic U.S.-North Korea talks. Politics make strange bedfellows, however, and we now seem on the verge of making concessions to North Korea's leader -- Kim Jong Il, whom our president previously called a loathsome "pygmy" -- to make it easier to go to war with Baghdad. Iraq remains Bush's fixation.

But it is critically in the interest of the world's immediate and future security that any war-making be forestalled until the work of the arms professionals is complete.

In fact, our one clear ally on the Iraq adventure, Britain, is now endorsing this position of patience. Prime Minister Tony Blair argued over the weekend that U.N. inspectors be granted the "time and space" to complete their job. So let's give the inspectors the year they say they need.

A member of Blair's Cabinet pleaded, "I think all the people of Britain have a duty to keep our country firmly on the U.N. route, so that we stop the U.S. maybe going to war too early."

And who but an intemperate child would want to go to war "too early"?

latimes.com