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To: Fred Levine who wrote (67314)	1/12/2003 11:59:44 PM
From: Sam Citron	Respond to of 70976

While George was an undergrad at Harvard, I sold him my used '61 VW. Some years later, he was on the faculty of Williams College where I met him again at dinner over a friend/colleague's house. You are referring to George R. Goethals. williams.edu I was referring to George W. Goethals, who taught in the psychology and social relations program over at William James Hall, and who passed away in 1995. I think GWG is GRG's father. don't lament not being in the field I don't. When I said that after the crash in '87 I lamented having studied economics instead of psychology, what I meant was that I could not really find any good economic explanations for the crash, but that it seemed to be rather a manifestation of crowd psychology. I could have done with a few more psych classes and possibly a few less econ classes. Diminishing marginal returns. <g> Your issues with the definition of schizophrenia remind me of the issues I had in my field with the definition of "economic development". It was normally assumed to mean a "rising standard of living", and the usual proxy was rising per capita income. But the unspoken cultural biases were always that it implied a western style market economy and lots of technology, whether appropriate or not. Ultimately the word is so loaded unexamined ethnocentric biases that IMHO most of the work in the field is not only a waste of time, but actually counterproductive. Most of the models based on such inputs as land, labor, capital and technology and that ignored the cultural dimensions were meaningless to me. So I don't lament not being in the "economic development" field either. Investing is a far from perfect vocation. It tends to be both passive and opportunistic in pursuit of personal gain, rather than some nobler goal of improving the lot of mankind. But I have yet to find a boss who could teach me as much as the market. Sam

To: Fred Levine who wrote (67314)	1/13/2003 11:56:34 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

The data have indicated that "lunacy" is caused by allegies, vitamin deficiencies, viruses, -- I have a list of 34 etiological agents--and, genetic predispositions. I am fascinated by the brain's "hardware" (organic parts, neurons, hormones, etc) and "software" (language, culture, experiences, etc). Especially interesting is how hardware affects behaviour. If you allow me to recommend a book, please do try Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" - arguably the best author writing about the near future, going into language as software of the brain, Sumerian legends, and in particular, how the tower of Babel was a real incident after which languages diverged, etc. It is brilliant. you have yet to reply to my post asking who Israel could negotiate with I haven't? I remember saying they have to negotiate with the chosen leader (i.e. Arafat, in this case). Countries do not have the luxury to choose leaders for their neighbours. . I certainly don't support the settlements, but I have seen positve approaches by Israel to be met with dismissive responses. Perhaps. Still, Israel is an occupational force and is continuing the settlements into Palestinian territory, while bickering about how they cannot hold peace talks because they don't like Arafat. Really... I am delighted to get into a discussion about god. Heh. I had thought myself cured of talking about God - it got me into serious trouble at some point (not the gravest of which was elementary school kids being told by their parents not to talk to me <ggg>) and I realized I cannot make anyone look at it from a rational/scientific angle if they are not disposed to do so already. Still, it can be fun. Worse yet, is the, "God is on our side." positions of both the terrorists and Bush. Double yuch! I know... It is ridiculous. With Muslim fundamentalists and their fanatical religious-speak on one side, you would expect the leader of the western world to come up with some other rhetoric than "Crusaders" or "They are evil, we are good" etc. Yuck yukc yuck...