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To: tejek who wrote (157917)	1/13/2003 8:16:52 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580154

If they prevail, they are in the mainstream. Both the Democratic Party and the Republican party are mainstream parties. You don't have to have a mjaority to be in the mainstream you just can't be out there on the edge with a tiny minority. The public perception is that Reagan is much more a centrist conservative than Bush Sr I have never once before this heard or read anyone say since the end of Bush Sr. term that he was more conservative then Reagan. I haven't even seen an indirect quote where someone said that they know someone else who is of that opinion. ITs not the general public perception even if it is yours. And whatever the perception is if you look at the issues one by one you'll find Reagan either at the same point of Bush or to the right on him on every major issue and many minor ones. Bush Sr. lost the election not because he didn't cut taxes but because he screwed up the economy. He lost for four reasons, he didn't keep his promise, he raised taxes alienating his base and he hurt the economy, all three of those however are related to the tax raise. The fourth reason is that he was unlucky enough to have a realtivily normal cyclical downturn come at the end of his term. He hurt the economy, mostly with his tax increase but the economy would have been soft anyway. The facts are that a strong majority of journalists voted for Clinton as opposed to 43% of the overall population. Links please. I posted them here before, and D Ray posted a different one recently. Polling data show that a majority of the country supports ending affirmitive action and outlawing partial birth abortion, but this is rarely reported and the ideas are more often bashed then supported by the main stream media. Links please. PM me the request and I'll get to it later. Actually I might just PM myself the link to your post and continue my response later. I want to go home now... Tim

To: tejek who wrote (157917)	1/14/2003 6:49:12 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1580154

"Polling data show that a majority of the country supports ending affirmitive action and outlawing partial birth abortion, but this is rarely reported and the ideas are more often bashed then supported by the main stream media. " Links please. More Than 70 Percent Want Abortion Limits, Poll Finds. Issue: May 22, 1999 Nearly three-quarters of Americans think access to abortion should be limited in some circumstances, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll made public on May 5. The poll found that 16 percent of Americans think abortions should be illegal in all circumstances, and 55 percent said it should be allowed only in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. Another 27 percent said abortions should be permitted in all circumstances. The poll also showed that the number of Americans who describe themselves as "pro-choice" is dropping, while the number who call themselves "pro-life" is rising. The number who said they were pro- choice fell to 48 percent. Three years ago the number was 56 percent. The number who considered themselves pro-life went from 36 percent three years ago to 42 percent. The poll found that the number of Americans who said they favor making partial-birth abortions illegal rose from 55 percent to 61 percent over the past two years. Those who wanted to keep partial-birth abortions legal dropped from 40 percent to 34 percent. In another development, the Alan Guttmacher Institute reported that the teen abortion rate had declined from 45.7 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 19 in 1986 to 34.9 in 1996. Figures from the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention explain the decline, according to Helen Alvare, director of planning and information for the U.S. bishops' Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities. She notes that "from 1990 to 1997 there was a 21 percent decline in high school teen-age boys who reported having sex in the previous three months, and a 20 percent decline in those reporting that they ever had sex." A spokeswoman for the Guttmacher Institute attributed 20 percent of the decrease to decreased sexual activity among teens and 80 percent to more effective use of contraceptives. findarticles.com In an October 2000 Gallup poll, 77% of Americans supported a ban on partial-birth abortion. In other Gallup polls, this number has approached 89%. A 1998 poll conducted by the New York Times and CBS News found that 78% of Americans support making it illegal for a minor to obtain an abortion without parental consent. A Gallup poll finds the proportion even higher, at 88%. frontpagemag.com both found at Message 18442570 Other links Partial Birth Abortion - "Partial-Birth/Late-Term Abortion Should Be... Legal 19% Illegal 74% Not sure 7% cnn.com "A significant majority (58%) favor the president signing a bill to ban partial-birth abortions if Congress passes such legislation. In contrast, 32% believe the president should veto any bill Congress passes making partial-birth abortions illegal. Results show 81% of Bush supporters agreed with the majority regarding a ban on partial-birth abortions, as did 35% of Gore supporters." zogby.com state.ne.us "A strong majority supports banning partial-birth abortion. After being told that "a partial-birth abortion involves delivering a living, late-term baby feet first, except for the head, puncturing the head with scissors, and suctioning out the brain," 73% believe that Congress should ban partial-birth abortion except to save the life of the mother, 19% said no, and 8% didn't know. nrlc.org In 1994, the Roper Organization polled 2,000 Americans, with checks to insure a balance of male/female, liberal/conservative, geographic region, etc 1. Abortion is wrong under ALL circumstances. 19% (19%) 2. Abortion is wrong, except to save the life of the mother. 7% (26%) 3. Abortion is wrong, except to save the life of the mother, and in cases of rape and incest. 18% (44%) 4. Abortion is wrong, except in cases of rape or incest; to save the life of the mother; and in case of infant deformity, disease or retardation. 11% (55%) {"() added by me figures in the "()"s are cumaltive totals provided by the web site} enteract.com Affirmitive Action - zogby.com kaet.asu.edu vote.pollit.com motherjones.com motherjones.com christianparty.net Multiple subjects - newsmax.com _____________________________ "An insane person with a gun shooting up a building is written up as definitive proof of the need for more gun control but the many people who defend themselves and others with privatly owned guns almost never even gets a mention. " I doubt that the media is intentionally not writing up these stories. I think its a conservative fabrication... Then you are simply not up to date with the research on this subject. Besides, if anything, the increase in gun ownership by private individuals has lead to an increase, not decrease, in the numbers of people killed by guns in this country. No because when more people have guns the percentage of guns owned by criminals goes down. The number of people being killed by guns in the US has declined for years while the number of guns in the US has been going up. .or do you need to be reminded that this country is the only developed one experiencing an on going increase in deaths attributable to guns. We are not experiencing such an increase however several other countries are. Right......"is balanced between liberals and conservatives with a slight and perhaps temporary tilt to conservatives". You're as bad as D. Ray. Let me remind you that Gore won the popular vote even with a third party candidate siphoning off liberal votes I said a slight and perhaps temporary tilt to conservatives. Look at the 2002 elections or at the % of people who say they would vote for Bush vs. possible democratic candidates. Even in the previous presidential elections the country was shown as very balanced. Since then it has become more conservative. At some point it will change again, but for now there is a slight tilt to the conservative side. In the future it could become a bigger tilt or it could tilt the other way. However, in 1992, a conservative candidate, Bush Sr., who you claim was left of Reagan and therefore, more centrist lost the popular vote when a third party, conservative candidate siphoned some off. Perot drew votes away from both sides. But Bush alienated his base and went back on his important and strongly worded promise about taxes. Reagan on the other hand who was more conservative and did nothing to alienate his base won twice by larger margins then any president since. So let me rephrase your earlier statement........the country is skewed towards the liberal party with the conservative party acting as a strong minority. I think I got it right. Even if that was true (and I don't agree with you about conservatives curently being in the minority) that would mean that my original statement which started all of this debate was correct and that conservatives are in the mainstream. Tim