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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1155)	1/13/2003 10:17:48 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Why are you SHOUTING? "DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST THEM" MD, You are falling way behind in the debate. There's a surprising development that you need to become aware of. The Senate Republicans are finally fed up. They're mad as hell and they're not going to take it. What is troubling them? Could it be Iraq, North Korea, al Qaeda? Heck no. They're pissed off at the lies and arrogance of the Bushistas. You gotta believe it..... this was written by Bob Novak, handmaiden of the GHP. suntimes.com George Bush seems to be making everyone mad these days. Not just Kim Jong Il. -Ray

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1155)	1/13/2003 10:22:52 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

This war would be a lot different if it had anything to do with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. It doesn't, but it does have a lot to do with Chevron, and British Petroleum, and Carlyle. TP

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1155)	1/14/2003 12:55:26 AM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

MD, ain't none of that gonna happen. What you (we) fear the most is terrorism. You really think war is going to stop terrorism? Ain't no way, Jose. War is going to breed more terrorism. American's war leaders confidently thought that US military might would tromp the North Vietnamese into oblivion and absolute, complete surrender. Didn't happen, did it? Instead the resolve of those folks became stronger and stronger and the bombing grew stronger and stronger, and their determination outlasted our continued wasted military expenditures--sorta like how we outlasted the old Soviet Union's military expenditures from the Cold War. Oh, yeah. Lots of good people got killed in that war. Indeed, war in Iraq will breed terrorism. Do you really think it won't? Is terrorism a simple thing confined to Iraq? Your thinking is sort of like mine was when I was young and being groomed, so to speak: Sunday church, Boy Scouts, Pee Wee Football, Pony League, the athletic banquets, the local paper sometimes with your name in it, hometown parades, bake sales and county fairs, mister and miss role model teachers in the schools, even heroes to behold like William Loeb and Meldrim Thomson--all very nice Republican American-dreamlike features. Sure our house was nice, there was some woods, we were close to the beach and I had a bicycle. Yes, the world then was very white, very safe. But as I grew old I realized as good as those things were that I had when I was young, that that there's more to it than that. There's all kinds of people, living in different ways. Other peoples' culture, other peoples' ways. Indeed, the faces of others became different but the smiles remained the same--a walk in the park here; a walk in the park there. What I learned is that not everybody thought as I did, they really didn't think like me. So I had, and still try, to figure out what other people once thought and what they think today. What thoughts did we share, what thoughts could we share and what could I learn from this thinking? Indeed, I learned that life is not lived in a box and anything outside of that box is a threat to the box I'm in. So I'll simply say sometimes you gotta come out of the box. Unfortunately, Bush right now thinks he has the box and he's winding its small handle hoping he can make Saddam pop out. My friend, it's not easy for me, it's not easy for you and it's not easy for him. But that's no reason for him to do something stupid, something that you'll blindly follow only because you didn't know or understand the difference, or think Saddam will easily pop out of the box. You see, the actions of the US--especially via a vehicle of war--will breed lots of younger Saddams, younger Bin Ladens, younger pick your villian from any of many different countries. And bombing the 'rogue ones' into oblivion, as has been shown before, simply will not change their determination. Each of 'em grow, ready to prove they don't wanna be placed in a box and if they do happen to get stuck in a box they don't want someone to take 'em out of it by saying "my way only." Indeed, what's freedom to you may not be freedom to them; and vice versa. Essentially, flag waving don't help much when your enemy is a world full of poor folk who haven't had much, who didn't get the kind of things I described above. Well, enough said--sorry for the rant--lol!