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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (343286)1/14/2003 10:04:02 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
U.S. TO GIVE BIG MESSAGE TO THE BOY KING ON SATURDAY: "The most important thing politically for us is to shatter the false myth of consensus" -- International ANSWER spokesman

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Antiwar Activists From Across U.S. Prepare to Descend on Washington
By Manny Fernandez
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday 13 January 2003; Page B01

Dallas lawyer Robert B. Dennis is headed to Washington this week, willing to endure a 22-hour bus ride with about 50 other Texans.

Amer Mirza, a Web developer from suburban Chicago, has been signing up Muslims in his area for seats on a charter bus he plans to ride.

Casey Chapman, a senior at Catholic Central High School in Troy, N.Y., will join a dozen other teenagers in a chaperone-driven van.

Dennis, Mirza and Chapman are a fraction of the thousands coming to Washington for a national antiwar demonstration Saturday, a rally and march that they and organizers say will be their last chance for a massive display of dissent before the United States goes to war with Iraq.

"The Iraqi people are not our enemy," said Dennis, 70, a member of the Dallas Peace Center. "We don't need to subject them to another war and more bombings."

Saturday's rally and march follow an October protest that drew about 100,000, a turnout organizers and police said was the largest antiwar demonstration in the nation's capital since the protests against the Vietnam War. And like the October protest, this action has drawn a group of counter-demonstrators who vow a loud but peaceful rally.

The same coalition that coordinated the October rally, International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism), is organizing this week's protest. Brian Becker, an ANSWER spokesman, said it is too early to tell if the crowd will be as big as or bigger than that at the previous march. But he said tens of thousands are planning to make the trip, as local organizers from Texas to New York to Wisconsin arrange for charter buses, car caravans and flights to the District.

"The most important thing politically for us is to shatter the false myth of consensus . . ." Becker said.

D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said he "wouldn't be surprised" if the turnout in Washington matches that in October. He said his department will be ready for that size crowd, but he does not expect disruptions. Previous ANSWER protests -- including a pro-Palestinian rally in April that attracted about 75,000 -- have been relatively free of incidents. "We don't anticipate any problems," Ramsey said. "It's been a peaceful group to date."

The rally is scheduled to begin at 11 a.m. on the Mall, near Third Street and Constitution Avenue NW just beyond the west front of the Capitol. Scheduled speakers include actress Jessica Lange, Vietnam veteran and author Ron Kovic, former representative Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) and others from labor, peace and Muslim organizations.

After the rally, participants plan to march to the gates of the Washington Navy Yard, where organizers said they would call for the elimination of U.S. weapons of mass destruction. They emphasized that no civil disobedience is planned.

Counterprotesters say they will hold a 9 a.m. rally at Constitution Gardens on the Mall on Saturday and later greet marchers outside the U.S. Marine Corps barracks at 8th and I streets SE. The D.C. chapter of the national organization Free Republic, a frequent counter-presence at protests, and MOVE-OUT! (Marines and Other Veterans Engaging Outrageous Un-American Traitors) are organizing this event.

The ANSWER protest, which will have counterparts in San Francisco, Canada, Spain and elsewhere, organizers say, is one of several Washington antiwar rallies coinciding with the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday Jan. 20. ANSWER organizers also have planned a youth and student march Sunday at 11 a.m. from the Justice Department to the White House.

Also Sunday, two antiwar coalitions, D.C. Iraq Pledge of Resistance and United for Peace, plan an 11:30 a.m. rally at Farragut Park followed by a march to the White House, where organizers said at least 50 people will conduct civil disobedience, though details are being worked out. Activists said they wanted to link King's opposition to the Vietnam War to the current peace movement.

Monday, the holiday marking King's birthday, the national activist group Black Voices for Peace plans a rally to celebrate King's legacy and oppose war against Iraq. It is set for 3 p.m. at Plymouth Congregational Church in Northeast Washington.

About 220 organizing centers in 45 states are coordinating transportation and spreading the word about Saturday's ANSWER rally, 70 more than in October, said ANSWER organizer Sarah Sloan. Some groups who brought one busload to the October rally said the response this time required them to have two or three buses, while others who were unable to attend the previous demonstration said they are now making the trek.

Sara Iglesias, 29, an activist and writer in Miami Beach, said she has been fielding up to 10 phone calls and up to 15 e-mails daily from people seeking transportation to Washington. "We have three charter buses now, and we may do another, and that's not counting the people who are in caravans or flying up," she said. A high school teacher, a civil rights lawyer and a Holocaust survivor are among those who signed up for seats, she said.

In October, Iglesias helped organize one bus of protesters. "We've been in touch with many more people due to the fact that we've made more connections and the fact that this antiwar movement is going more mainstream and getting more publicity," she said.

Mirza, 23, of Glendale Heights, Ill., said one 55-seat bus is almost filled with area Muslims and supporters, and another might be needed. "There has been a lot of hate crimes in Chicago after 9/11. Now, the fear is they will get more extreme" if the United States wages war against Iraq, said Mirza, cofounder of the Muslim League.

College and high school students from 400 campuses nationwide are planning to attend, organizers said. University of Iowa student David Goodner is joining classmates on a 17-hour bus ride to Washington. Student Carl Sack at Northland College in Ashland, Wis., who attended a local march in October, is set to board one of three buses for the national rally.

Chapman, 17, is coming to the District with fellow members of a youth group called Free the Children. "I think that people have to realize that it's never too young for people to be involved with activism and making your voice heard," said Chapman, who also marched in October.

Activists say they hope the demonstration energizes a U.S. antiwar movement that has shown signs of gaining momentum in recent weeks, as military preparations and troop deployments for an assault on Iraq have escalated. The march was timed to precede the Jan. 27 deadline for the first major report by weapons inspectors to the U.N. Security Council.

That date had been viewed by some Bush administration officials as a decision point on whether Iraq's cooperation has been sufficient to head off a military strike. Last week, though, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell played down the date's importance.

Organizers said they fear they are running out of time. "The American people have very little time left to tell President Bush -- in their voice, which he can't ignore -- they don't want our United States of America to become an aggressor nation and attack Iraq," said former U.S. attorney general Ramsey Clark at an ANSWER news conference in Washington last week.

Clark founded the International Action Center, one of the groups that led the effort to create International ANSWER as a response to the Bush administration's war on terrorism. He has drawn criticism as an outspoken opponent of the Vietnam War who traveled to that country during the war.

Subsequently, he has served as a lawyer for Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav dictator on trial for war crimes and Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the Egyptian cleric convicted of masterminding the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

But many of those planning to come to Washington said the views of the organizers are of little concern to them and that the larger antiwar movement is bigger than any organizing group. "I'm told they're some kind of radicals, but I don't care," Dennis said, of ANSWER. "Good organizers are worth their weight in gold."

Staff writer David A. Fahrenthold contributed to this report.

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (343286)1/14/2003 10:52:45 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
Charleymane,

Let's review the very brief mention of I.F. Stone in each of the three articles you cite. I'm including every sentence that mentions Stone in all three.

New Republic: "Certainly there are ambiguities in the status of such persons as I.F. Stone and J. Robert Oppenheimer, for example."

Human Events: Romerstein presents highly persuasive evidence that J. Robert Oppenheimer, the director of the Los Alamos project that produced the atomic bomb, was also a Soviet spy; that the Venona messages plus information from former KGB general Oleg Kalugin show that journalist I. F. Stone, an icon of the American left, was on the take from Moscow (though he refused further payments after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968), and that Venona nails atomic spy Julius Rosenberg as, in Romerstein’s words, "a direct link between Soviet intelligence and the leadership of the American Communist Party..............

"Romerstein’s book has not been reviewed by the major liberal media, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. The New Republic, a liberal anti-Communist magazine that used to frequently run the writings of co-author Breindel, has derided the book (but not reviewed it), insisting that Breindel would never have subscribed to Romerstein’s conclusion that Oppenheimer was "a conscious collaborator with the Soviet secret police," that Harry Hopkins was a "Soviet agent" and that I. F. Stone "in the end agreed to work for the NKVD."


Future of Freedom Foundation: "A leading proponent of this view (of who started the Korean War) was the American journalist I.F. Stone. It now turns out that Stone was on the Soviet payroll."

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What may we conclude from these three articles?

First, there is only accusation and innuendo presented.

Secondly, there is no "smoking gun", as one article states, this conjecture about Stone is "ambiguous".

Third, reading the Human Events bombast, one might even begin to wonder if the author is so disingenuous that when he said that Stone refused further payments after the invasion of Czechoslovakia, what he most likely is refering to in an instance where I.F. Stone simply wouldn't allow the Soviet apparatchiks to continue with a subscription to the newsletter. The Human Events author seems the sort to engage in this sort of mendacious sophistry. He clearly has the vindictive nature to try to prosecute Stone. Why did he stop short of actually providing some facts about the nature of Stone's purported relationship with the Soviets? Almost certainly because he had nothing further to go on.

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I am left to conclude that both you and Bob Novak are doing nothing more than blowing smoke and obfuscating the record with nasty innuendo. Typical right wing tactics. And very low brow. You have to try a lot harder if you hope to be convincing.

-Ray



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (343286)1/15/2003 12:26:49 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
SILLY ACCUSATIONS AND MOUNTAINS OF INNUENDO, A LUZER RIGHT WING SPECIALTY

Charley,

You've been exposed as perpetrating a fraud. This article, courtesy of DavesM. says you're guilty of creating "mountains built of molehills."

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