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To: mcg404 who wrote (8130)	1/15/2003 6:05:35 PM
From: GraceZ	Respond to of 306849

Are you saying there are no situations where you feel the country would be better off for it (even accepting the fact that costs will be higher)? I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting, maybe you have some examples.

To: mcg404 who wrote (8130)	1/15/2003 6:08:44 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 306849

One big litmus test is the minimum wage. There's a range of stolid opinion on that one, none of which has much merit imo, and experiments have to be tried, it's too complex to have any confidence otherwise. Obviously it's impossible to legislate any wage scale one might want. It's also clear there is room for input on what the expectations are for labor. We no longer have anything remotely resembling labor representation, so it's hard to say what the successful models and experiments are. Legislation is a terrible way to create such improvements, imo, it's much more successful to use the "bully pulpit" to unleash the creativity of Americans, and Americans will respond, there's no doubt, to any such call. Henry Ford did that on his own, and it worked, prior to any "Great Society" gov't programs. The use of gov't-coerced funds is dangerous and should be avoided except where fully agreed, but the distorted calculus of politics-as-usual mandates that only cash and lobbyists count -- anything resembling leadership and popular representation is considered to be only a quaint notion from earlier times.