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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (14571)	1/16/2003 4:01:25 PM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 28931

"PARTICLES DO APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE, BY THEMSELVES" The field in which they "arrive" is the field of awareness of the observer and their "origin" is outside the field of awareness of the observer (referred to as "nowhere" in the quotation above). I don't need to remind you that the field of awareness in question is an almost infinitely tiny subset of the whole. Scientists assume that space is empty, whereas the notion of space is BASED on the notion of the separation of objects and supposed "distances" between. Those whose lexicon of awareness includes "the cosmic void" from time immemorial have testified to the paradoxical full-emptiness of space in which illusory pockets of seeming separation and "difference" (bodies) occur. Namaste! Jim

To: Greg or e who wrote (14571)	1/16/2003 5:31:01 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

If you are saying that the first quantum singularity just jumped into existence on it's own with no outside force or catalyst then you believe in spontaneous generation my friend. If the universe is the result of a definite cause and effect follows cause in a definite manner then we are in a deterministic universe. This was Newton's view, for each action there a reaction which can be determined if you know enough about the initial conditions. Such reactions can be complex and chaotic, so much so that they are unpredictable since enough information about past causes could not be obtained. Still, they would unfold in a definite way. It would be as if the universe were a simulation. The future would be fated without free will or possiblility of change. A universe constrained to a single outcome is much more ordered than one which is random. Constrained is another word for unlikely, pretty much infinitely unlikely, and yet the only way to avoid it is if some part in the makeup of our universe is truely random, which means for that part there is no relationship between cause and effect. TP TP

To: Greg or e who wrote (14571)	1/17/2003 5:29:30 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"PARTICLES DO APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE, BY THEMSELVES" And maggots appear out of nowhere in rotting meat. You are really testing my patience with your stubborn insistence on NOT reading up a bit on the current understanding of the universe as PROVEN WITH EXPERIMENTS AND DOCUMENTED OBSERVATIONS. I thought particles are supposed to be called singularities? See what I mean??? How am I supposed to talk about Big Bang with someone who things "particle = singularity"??? Bye Greg. Have a good life. Remember me fondly, if one day you do decide to READ on these matters, and realize that I have at least put a dent in your armor of ignorance.