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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (66498)	1/17/2003 1:49:20 AM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

what if its a multi-national coalition of countries that participate in getting rid of Mr Hussein ? The food fight will be interesting to watch from a distance.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (66498)	1/17/2003 2:06:49 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I just heard a rather surreal argument on BBC radio between an American who's planning to go over to Iraq as a human shield and an Iraqi exile. I missed the beginning, so I didn't catch their names. The American was completely sure of his own righteousness and contemptuous of the Iraqi's protests that while he wasn't looking forward to American bombs over Iraq, as he had family there, he wanted Saddam gone very badly, and he and all the Iraqi people would say thank you to the US for getting rid of him, even though the US made such a big mistake in not supporting the Iraqi rebels in 1991. The American became furious, told the Iraqi he was a traitor, and said if he really cared for the Iraqi people he should go stand under the American bombs with them. The Iraqi protested, "If I go to Iraq I will be executed as an opponent of Saddam Hussein". (I am paraphrasing the quotes, but they are pretty close) American, furiously: "You go be executed then, and stand with your people" (No, I'm not making this up, I swear) He added contemptuously, "Anyone who thinks the US will make things better for the Iraqi people is a fool. They will not make a democracy. It will be a puppet democracy. This is all about oil." Iraqi: "Why do you support Saddam Hussein and make propaganda for him? Do you think Saddam is a democrat?" American, indignantly: "I am not for Saddam Hussein. I am going to leave my comfort and stand with the Iraqi people, who are going to have BOMBS dropped on them." Iraqi: "Well if the Americans drop bombs on the palaces of Saddam Hussein, I and the Iraqi people will be cheering." The American's contempt for the US government was palpable and striking. It was obvious to him that since the US was going to go over to Iraq and DROP BOMBS on the "Iraqi people", the US government was wholy and completely in the wrong. He also seemed to think that the US track record obviously supported the evil nature of the US government. He literally couldn't be got interested for one second in the nature of the Saddam Hussein government. Saddam Hussein is as nothing compared to the great evil of the US government. Truly bizarre.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (66498)	1/17/2003 7:45:07 AM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 281500

I suppose by your definition the US has taken Kuwait's and Saudi Arabia's oil as well? By letting their governments keep it. So if the US confiscates Iraq's oil industry, they've taken it. If the US doesn't touch it, it's still taken it. Heads, the US took Iraq's oil. Tails, the US took Iraq's oil.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (66498)	1/17/2003 8:26:25 AM
From: John Carragher	Respond to of 281500

Maurice I am surprised by your conclusion.. You know we freed Kuwait and not one U.S. oil corporation got any new business. At first the regime of Kuwait was going to give the states business but after the war changed their mind...(source an article in Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper last Sunday) Should we free Iraq the new regime will be of the same mind. I expect Iraq to award some of the huge business to the international oil companies etc who have the expertise and resources to rebuild the fields as quickly as possible to get them up in running and the country profitable... If they choose otherwise I doubt the Bush-Buddy oil companies will get any business... Also in this industry it is not unusual to subcontract out awards.. You might see Russia and France continue to maintain and drill new fields with U.S. as subcontractors.. This is all good business for Iraq... What is in the world's best interest is stable supply of oil giving us stable prices.