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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (21322)1/17/2003 10:52:31 PM
From: HG  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 104155
 
Subject 53564

Case in point - he's courageous enough. He's been taking a good beating.

Most conservatives go there and call him names, insult him. He's mild mannered and forgiving. The personality differences between the right and left are so obvious if one reads the thread objectively.

Most conservatives can't talk without becomig personal and resorting to name calling <axis of evil!!> I don't dish out insults, i just cannot, no matter what, so i stay away...as do many moderates who I know on SI...and my kind stays away from political bickering in real life too....



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (21322)1/17/2003 11:03:17 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 104155
 
Voices in the Wilderness said war on Iraq would be illegal, immoral and counter productive.

guardian.co.uk

World Protesters Gather on Iraq Conflict

Saturday January 18, 2003 2:20 AM

TOKYO (AP) - Protesters turned out Friday in Bahrain and the Gaza Strip to rally against a possible war against Iraq, while demonstrators planned to take to the streets in several European cities.

Protests on Saturday in Brussels and the German cities of Hamburg and Cologne were to coincide with similar demonstrations across the United States.

German demonstrators also planned to gather in front of the European headquarters of the U.S. Army in Heidelberg.

The demonstrations come as Saddam proclaimed Friday Iraq is ready for war with the United States. His words added to an atmosphere of urgency that followed the discovery of 12 empty chemical warheads in Iraq.

U.N. weapons inspectors were trying to determine if the discovery represented a violation of U.N. resolutions, a possible trigger for war.

Meanwhile, 3,500 Palestinians marched Friday in support of Saddam in Gaza City, filling the narrow streets with fluttering Iraqi flags and pictures of the Iraqi leader. Some chanted, ``Our beloved Saddam, strike Tel Aviv,'' reviving a slogan from the 1991 Gulf War.

``The Palestinian people and Iraqi people are in the same trench of resistance against the aggression and against injustice,'' said Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a Hamas leader.

In the Bahraini capital of Manama, more than 1,500 citizens waving placards and banners marched saying ``No!'' to war with Iraq and calling on their pro-Western leadership to expel U.S. forces from the kingdom.

The small Persian Gulf state is home to the U.S. 5th fleet and hosts about 1,000 U.S. military personnel who would be among the forces used in any American-led attack on Iraq.

In London Friday, a spokesman for the lobby group Voices in the Wilderness said war on Iraq would be illegal, immoral and counter productive.

``There is no U.N. mandate for war,'' said Gabriel Carlyle. ``It is immoral because hundreds and thousands of innocent people will die and it is not about human rights and democracy but replacing Saddam Hussein with a more U.S.-friendly dictator.''



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (21322)1/18/2003 10:38:04 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 104155
 
CNN.com: Antiwar rallies scheduled across The U.S.

"There is no way to drown out the voices of so many..." "Why should our daughters and sons have to fight and die to benefit the profits of oil companies and oil industry?"

cnn.com

Antiwar rallies scheduled across U.S.
Organizer: 220 cities to be represented at Washington protest
Saturday, January 18, 2003 Posted: 7:13 AM EST (1213 GMT)

Some 1,500 people were in Seattle's streets Friday night to protest a possible war with Iraq.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Antiwar demonstrators are expected to rally across the nation Saturday against Bush administration preparations for a possible U.S.-led war on Iraq.

Scheduled participants include Hollywood celebrities, politicians, labor union leaders, religious leaders and civil rights activists, all invoking the memory of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. the weekend before the national holiday in his honor. Notable names include Academy Award-winning actress Jessica Lange, former "M*A*S*H" TV actor Mike Farrell, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton.

The protests coincide with international demonstrations that began Saturday in New Zealand and were scheduled for Germany, England and other spots. (Full story) cnn.com

President Bush has threatened military action against Iraq if it refuses to abide by United Nations resolutions calling for it to disarm itself of alleged weapons of mass destruction. Baghdad has repeatedly denied possessing such weapons -- chemical, nuclear or biological.

Brian Becker, co-director of the International Action Center, said the demonstrators will oppose the administration's rationale for war.

"Tomorrow, in the streets of Washington and San Francisco, you will see hundreds of thousands of Americans coming together to say that they do not believe the propaganda of the Bush administration; they believe they have been lied to," he said.

Becker said U.N. Resolution 1441, which requires Iraq to rid itself of weapons of mass destruction, is "a diplomatic fig leaf to serve for this administration and as a trigger to war."

Becker said people from 220 cities nationwide have committed to attending the demonstrations, which are slated to begin on Washington's National Mall at 11 a.m. EST.

Clay Yapp, a Madison middle school student, prepares to head to an antiwar protest in Washington on Friday.

Demonstrators will converge at the Capitol and march to the Washington Navy Yard, a military installation in Southeast Washington.

In San Francisco, California, where organizers predicted a turnout of about 50,000 protesters, the day's events begin at 11 a.m. (2 p.m. EST) with a march from the waterfront down Market Street in the heart of the city to the Civic Center.

"We are marching to embrace the true legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday," said a Web site for the organizer, Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER).

"This is not the first time that a government that seeks to carry out wars of aggression has lied to the people about the nature of that war," it said.

"There is no way to drown out the voices of so many," said Mara Verhaden-Hillard, a spokeswoman for ANSWER. "George Bush has said that he intends to launch a pre-possible military action Bush has threatened against Iraq if it refuses to abide by United Nations resolutions calling for it to disarm itself of alleged weapons of mass destruction. Baghdad has repeatedly denied possessing such weapons -- chemical, nuclear or biological.emptive war, and now he's facing the most formidable obstacle, which is a pre-emptive antiwar movement. That is what will restrain the government of the United States."

A white-haired woman who identified herself as a Republican said she, too, was planning to join the protesters.

"The antiwar movement is not just a bunch of left-wing radicals," she said. "There are many, many sensible people who are opposed to this war for sensible reasons."

The woman said she did not believe Bush's contention that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction -- which that country contends it does not have -- pose an international threat.

"Personally, I think that oil interests play a big part in this," she said. "I'm much more concerned about North Korea and their weapons of mass destruction than I am about the possible ones in Iraq. But Iraq has a lot more oil, and North Korea has none. That, to me, is very telling."

The Rev. Greylan Haglard, co-chairman of the Washington rally, concurred.

"Why should our daughters and sons have to fight and die to benefit the profits of oil companies and oil industry?" he said.

Temperatures were expected to be in the 20s in Washington and in the 50s in San Francisco.

Also on the list of expected participants in Washington were former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark; documentary filmmaker and corporate gadfly Michael Moore; Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit; Rep. John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee; and Ron Kovic, a decorated and disabled Vietnam veteran who wrote "Born on the Fourth of July," which inspired a movie starring Tom Cruise.