Of course the slavers set their own 'border' in unilateral fashion according to their own arbitrary whim, i have never disputed this point and am unlikely to, since it is the truth of what happened
López de Santa Anna was for various times during this period the leader of the conservadores, who promoted the continuacion [and later, re-establishment] of slavery, the primacy of inherited privilege, the establishment of an empire [oh yes], a rigid class system, and a near absolute lack of democracy ..... there were also liberales, like Gómez Farías, who promoted a true classically liberal scenario in the manner ballyhooed by [but not followed by] your Jeffersons - inherent rights of man held by all men of the society, individual rights, individual responsibility, etc ... Smith of Kirkcaldy was quoted much by these people, and never by LdeSA .... there was an ambassador from the US around el DF from the early 1820s on, name of Poinsett, who worked various reptilian machinations among the factions, and among the hispano nations - recall that Bolívar had inspired the countries to the south to throw off rule by the gachupines, and there was something of a league of nations effort going on between them, mutual self-defense pacts and trade agreements and the like ... well, Poinsett managed to stop that, using US money and treachery, i have forgotten much detail on it but military threats were certainly a component ... this would be around 1824-25
Just before this, of course, there had been a US attempt to take from the canadians their lands [it is to this the song Maple Leaf Forever refers], and all through this time there was a movement to annex Cuba as another slave state ... John L O'Sullivan and the like, there were many of them, and Polk was heartily in favour, there were whole books written of the detailed perfidies of this time, and he figures prominently ... it is ridiculous for you to deny the phenomenon of the Manifest Destiny imperialism, when hundreds of writers have set it out in detail
Quislings - sure there are some everywhere ... there is no doubt that when those bloody liechtensteiners decide to invade New Jersey, they will find quislings by the score .... no problem, given enough money and military might to back it up .... proves nothing, validates nothing in the human experience, rather the opposite i should think
From your link there - 'The colony's actual boundaries were therefore determined by the extent of settlement within it, rather than by the boundaries specified in the contract.'
Yes, precisely ... those colonias did not cover much of a percentage of land between the Rojo and the Nueces, and they covered none of the land south of the Nueces .... as i recall [it has been many years since i've read anything authoritative on the subject] ..... in any case, those colonias did not extend to all lands north of the Río Bravo, and they had been invalidated anyway because the slavers did not live up to the terms ..... the army that moved north in 1836 was a police force, in the same way that the Northwest Mounted Police were a few years later, to the north - it was there to enforce the law .... which, by the 1820s in México, included the abolition of slavery
The slavers stole the northern half of México, it's that simple ... no reasonable person could, on being presented with the facts of the matter, determine otherwise - it was pure conquest, and that is the only grounds on which you can attempt to justify it - the right of conquest .... as you always revert to anyway, so you really do basically understand this stuff eh
I refuse to pretend otherwise, that there was some valid legalistic reason for the wiping out of any of the peoples on these lands .... there was not, it was pure conquest .... so if you have a problem with that, it's your problem, not mine
It could have worked out much differently between these two nations ... the words of Jefferson were very like the actions of Gómez Farías, of Luis Mora .... the liberales could have used some help, which would have been quite mutually beneficial to liberal parties in the US, and right-thinking individuals everywhere .... instead, they got people like yourself, who said what the hell, those people are catholics, talk a funny language, and so many of them are brown, eeeuw, let's just shoot them and take their lands
So they did, and now you'd like to justify the action .... well, good luck on that chaparro ... cháu |
