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To: LindyBill who wrote (66866)	1/19/2003 1:00:15 AM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 281500

D.C. Peaceniks: Bush More 'Evil' Than Saddam Saturday Jan. 18, 2003; 10:45 a.m. EST newsmax.com Anti-war protesters rallying in Washington, D.C. Saturday say President Bush is more 'evil' than Axis of Evil kingpin Saddam Hussein, the man who's likely to become the target of imminent U.S. military action in coming weeks. Though the crowd made their extreme anti-Bush and anti-American feelings amply apparent as they gathered on the Capitol Mall early Saturday morning, most of the uglier sentiments were being filtered out by reporters and news editors intent on giving a sanitized version of the event. But WABC Radio's Curtis Sliwa, in a live report from the scene just minutes after the proceedings got underway, pulled no punches: "I saw them falling out of their buses," Sliwa told his radio colleague John Gambling. "They were taking out their signs - 'Bush is the Evil One' and 'There's a Terrorist Behind Every Bush.' Out of the maybe a-hundred-and-twenty signs that I saw.... (there wasn't) one pejorative placard demeaning Saddam Hussein.'" Sliwa said he interviewed nearly fifty of the anti-war protesters, reporting that "about ten actually said, 'Oh yeah, George Bush and Bush 41, his father, are far more evil - because they have more control geopolitically and they've killed far more people than Saddam Hussein." The radio host ending up decamping amidst the "Patriots Rally" counter demonstration, which the establishment press has decided to ignore. But he pledged, "When I join the anti-American protesters to report on Monday when I'm back behind the microphone, I'm gonna count how many Hezbollah flags there are, Islamic Jihad flags, how many Palestinian flags, how many Iraqi flags." He said he'd also keep an eye out for North Korean flags, which generally aren't available for sale in the U.S. "Maybe they knit them like Betsey Ross, just to show their support for 'Kim Jong Mentally Ill' over there in North Korea," the radio host offered. Asked if he saw any 1960s vintage VW buses - the preferred mode of travel for anti-war protesters during Vietnam - Sliwa said, "No, in fact, hypocrites that they are.... quite a few of these so-called progressives and liberals were coming in their SUVs with big signs, 'No War for Oil.'"

To: LindyBill who wrote (66866)	1/19/2003 1:04:50 AM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 281500

This is just too funny! Ramsey Clark to Protesters: 'Let's Impeach Bush' Saturday Jan. 18, 2003; 1:13 p.m. EST newsmax.com Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark told a crowd of cheering anti-American demonstrators gathered in Washington, D.C. to protest the impending war in Iraq on Saturday that he was launching a campaign to impeach President Bush. "(The Constitution) provides a means of preventing what President George Bush wants to do - it's called impeachment," Clark proclaimed, before outlining his bill of particulars against the White House. The Democrat attorney general under President Johnson charged that Bush had engaged in "usurping the power of the Constitution and the people, being above the law, treating anybody any way he wants to - no civil rights, no civil liberties, nothing." Then Clark engaged in a call and response exercise with the Baghdad-sympathizing demonstrators. "Has George Bush committed impeachable offenses?" he asked. "Yes!" the crowd shouted back. "Has he assumed the power to wage aggressive war by himself on his own decision?" the radical left-wing ex-lawman added. "Yes!" the protesters repeated. "Is that an impeachable offense?" Clark asked. "Yes!" came the retort one more time. Clark then charged that Bush has already "waged war, first strike and preemption, on his own, without the consent of the Congress or the United Nations." In fact Bush has won resolutions of support for his Iraqi policy from both bodies. Next the former AG asked the crowd, "Has (Bush) threatened to use nuclear weapons?" "Yes," came the response, despite the fact that, that charge was also erroneous. "Has he authorized and condoned assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, and secret holding of people in unlawful detention?" Clark wondered aloud, before adding bizarrely, "And bribery!" "Yes!" Then, throwing in everything but the kitchen sink, Clark asked, "Has he undermined international law and the Constitution and the charter of the United Nations?" before proclaiming, "Then let's impeach him!" The ex-AG said he was launching "a major campaign' for Bush's impeachment, announcing, "We're gonna have a website. We're gonna go for it!" He then exhorted the crowd, "Remember the Republicans impeached Bill Clinton four years ago for nothing. Are we gonna stand by when the whole world is threatening and do nothing about impeaching George Bush?"

To: LindyBill who wrote (66866)	1/19/2003 12:31:41 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

No, John. I am simply putting the Political label on them that they normally call themselves when they are not running anti-war movements. There is a level of this I don't mind. The problem with this kind of labeling, however, is that, all too often, the aim is to label all the participants as some form of mainstream unacceptability, and thus the aims of the march. In our political culture of the hyper moment, unfortunately, the preferred way to address political views you don't like is to spin them into something as negatively as you think you can get away with ("you" being a generic "you"), rather than address the issues raised.