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To: Dale Baker who wrote (471)	1/19/2003 11:09:40 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 2534

Compare drunk driving with secondhand smoke. Drunk riving is worse. Accidents can kill someone immediately and you can be surprised by the deadly action of a drunk driver. Second hand smoke might reduce your life span if you are exposed to it for a long time and it can be annoying but its closer to noise pollution or small scale illegal dumping of something only mildly toxic. Tim

To: Dale Baker who wrote (471)	1/19/2003 6:19:50 PM
From: Bill Ulrich	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2534

California has changed the penalty process substantially. Gone are the days of pleading down to lesser offenses. The system is now very regimented and some lawyers even suggest that hiring an attorney is pointless (particularly for first offense). There's very little they can do except show you where to sign your paperwork. The fine is $1100, mandatory school (special DUI program, not standard traffic school) &#151 22 weeks. You pay for the school &#151 another $1100. 3-yr. probation. Second offense is a very steep increase on the above.