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To: LindyBill who wrote (2468)1/21/2003 12:52:24 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15992
 
I will get the book...This is a Bob Baer/ABC transcript from ABC...

Ex-Agent Robert Baer
Transcript: Former Agent Says CIA Dropped Ball in Terror Fight
abcnews.go.com

Jan. 18 — CIA field officer Robert Baer served on the front lines in the war against terrorism during the 1980s and 1990s, risking his life in some of the world's most dangerous places. In his new book, See No Evil, Baer makes alarming charges about deficiencies in U.S. intelligence that he believes were precursors to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. He says that, as the roots of terrorism were rapidly expanding, the CIA was inexplicably reducing its presence in the field. "We basically closed down," says Baer. "The CIA closed down in the '90s."
During Lebanon's bloody civil war, Baer ran an intelligence network on the dangerous streets of Beirut. He believes he tracked down the man responsible for the 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing that killed 63 people — but says the CIA was powerless to take any measures against him. In another missed opportunity, Baer says, the U.S. failed to support a 1995 uprising in Iraq aimed at ousting Saddam Hussein.

Read the transcript of our live chat with Baer below.



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MODERATOR at 3:07 p.m. ET
Bob, you write in your book that the coup against Saddam Hussein might have succeeded with U.S. help. Why do you think the White House did not want to support Chalabi and the other Iraqi dissidents?

BOB BAER at 3:08 p.m. ET
To the best of my knowledge, I believe the White House was more worried about instability in Iraq than it was about Saddam remaining in power. The White House's policy was to keep the status quo in Iraq.

MODERATOR at 3:09 p.m. ET
Preston writes: "The U.S. missed an opportunity, you say, to overthrow Saddam Hussein in 1995. Is it too late for us to get another chance?"

BOB BAER at 3:09 p.m. ET
The only way we can get rid of Saddam now is by military invasion or his death from natural causes.

MODERATOR at 3:09 p.m. ET
Sidney asks: "Do you think Iraq is protecting terrorists and/or sponsoring terrorist activities?"

BOB BAER at 3:10 p.m. ET
I have seen no credible evidence that Iraq is currently protecting terrorists or sponsoring terrorists, but I have no access to classified information.

KEVIN ROBINSON from deltacom.net at 3:11 p.m. ET
Mr. Baer, in your opinion why did the CIA shut down in the 1990s? Was it the politics that were established during the '70s and '80s to "fence in" the Agency or was it the lack of leadership and willingness on CIA and executive leaders?

BOB BAER at 3:12 p.m. ET
I believe that it was a systematic failure on the part of the American government and it was not solely the fault of the CIA. Neither the White House nor Congress was pushing for better intelligence.

BRIAN LARKIN at 3:13 p.m. ET
Mr. Baer, You mentioned that the CIA has been denuded; due, in part, to a desire by those in power to make the agency more 'politically correct'. Could you give me a few examples of how this sort of thinking has damaged the CIA's effectiveness?

BOB BAER at 3:14 p.m. ET
In the mid 1990s, the CIA underwent what we called an "agent scrub." That meant that we let go of approximately 60% of our human sources, perhaps more, which seriously damaged the CIA.

When I was in charge of the Caucuses in Central Asia, for example, we had no human sources. That also was in the mid to late 1990s.

VINCENT MOLLOY at 3:15 p.m. ET
Do you think that Clinton's lack of a personal military background and liberal left politics effectively killed the CIA's ability to develop any realistic position in the Mid-East during his administration?

BOB BAER at 3:16 p.m. ET
I believe that President Clinton, of all the presidents I served under, was the least interested in intelligence. If he had been a better reader of intelligence, he might have predicted the current outcome in the fighting between Israel and the Palestinians.

JEFF BRUENDERMAN from ipt.aol.com at 3:17 p.m. ET
Robert, do you feel the CIA will ever be allowed to assassinate proven terrorists? How do you feel the inability to do so has hampered our so-called "War on Terrorism"?

BOB BAER at 3:18 p.m. ET
I think that if the United States decides to conduct selective assassinations, it should be in the context of a war and it should be the responsibility of the military rather than the CIA.

I believe the CIA should best serve the U.S. by being an unbiased reporter of the truth and if it were a fighting organization, that would affect its ability to analyze and report intelligence.

MODERATOR at 3:19 p.m. ET
Trish writes: "I was very surprised at the number of CIA agents involved in the fighting in Afghanistan. Were they this active during the Gulf War or Vietnam, for example?"

BOB BAER at 3:20 p.m. ET
During Vietnam, the CIA was very active in the fighting. But in the Gulf War, the CIA was not involved in the fighting at all. We were told that General Schwarzkopf didn't like the CIA and didn't want it on the front.

ALEX at 3:20 p.m. ET
Who are our allies in this new war, and who should they be? Do you trust the Saudis? Should we court Iranian youth?

BOB BAER at 3:25 p.m. ET
I think the remarkable fact that has emerged from the current war is the absence of help from Saudi Arabia, one of our traditional allies in the Middle East. Please keep in mind that I have no access to current intelligence and I may be wrong. But I have seen no news reports of arrests of Saudis in the press.

Since the Sept. 11 attacks were partially hatched in Saudi Arabia, it surprises me that we've had so little apparent cooperation from Saudi Arabia.

As for Iran, I think that if we're patient, we will see the country undergo a new revolution which will be more sympathetic to the United States. I do not know enough about Iran to say whether we should encourage this or not.

I think that in the Middle East, the most capable government to combat terrorism is Jordan.

ORLANDO at 3:25 p.m. ET
During your tenure with the CIA, did you ever fear for your life?

BOB BAER at 3:26 p.m. ET
Once or twice, during random shelling in northern Iraq and Beirut. I was targeted once for assassination by Libya, but I was pulled out of the country before it could be carried out.

SKY from door.net at 3:26 p.m. ET
How can those of us who are voters and "average citizens" help put the teeth back into the CIA?

BOB BAER at 3:30 p.m. ET
Personally, I am outraged that the U.S. government — not just the CIA, but the entire U.S. government — failed to take precautions on our airplanes when we knew with no doubt that Osama bin Laden was planning to hijack multiple airplanes and run them into U.S. landmarks.

But to answer your question, I would immediately write my congressman and demand an investigation into every part of the government responsible for terrorism to determine whether there was a failure on the part of the government and if there was, who was at fault. We will never know unless there's an honest congressional investigation.

DAVE from cvx17-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net at 3:30 p.m. ET
Did the Agency review your book prior to its publication and, if so, how much did they ask you to excise?

BOB BAER at 3:31 p.m. ET
Yes, I submitted the book to the CIA over the course of about two years. The agency was extremely helpful in correcting mistakes in my manuscript and excising or redacting classified information. Ultimately, I found the CIA to be very helpful in clearing the book.

MODERATOR at 3:32 p.m. ET
A question from TK: "Has your career with the CIA hampered your post-CIA job prospects?"

BOB BAER at 3:33 p.m. ET
Absolutely. For instance, I cannot work in journalism, nor can I travel to many countries in the world. (It would be a one-way trip to Iran!)

But on the other hand, I do not regret for a minute working for the CIA.

MODERATOR at 3:33 p.m. ET
Would you still recommend a career in the CIA to a young person graduating from college today?

BOB BAER at 3:34 p.m. ET
If I had a son or a daughter considering a career in the CIA, I would ask them to wait a year or so to see how things turn out in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks.

MODERATOR at 3:35 p.m. ET
Thanks to Bob Baer and all those who joined the chat.



To: LindyBill who wrote (2468)1/21/2003 12:56:27 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 15992
 
and a German article on Bob Baer, former CIA agent...

Kulturweltspiegel vom 24. Februar 2002 - Der ehemalige CIA-Agent ... - [ Translate this page ]
21 Jahre lang stand Robert Baer in den Diensten der CIA - als Experte für den Nahen
Osten und Spezialist für die Terrorismusbekämpfung. Nun packt er aus. ...
www.wdr.de/tv/kulturweltspiegel/20020224/5.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages







The cowboy in the desert:
A former CIA agent over the failure of the secret services

Author: Joachim gardner






Robert bear

Homepage of the CIA

ABC News over the book (English)

Review with "salon.com" (English)

Review in the "Washington Times" (English)




Buchcover

Interview with Robert bear with "ABC News" (Transkript of a Chats, English)

The century of the wars: Secret service and espionage (mirror, 22,2,1999)

Ahmed Rashid over the Mudschahidin and the CIA (mirror, 15,10,2001)

NZZ over the criticism at CIA and FBI (18.9.2001)

Seymour M. Hersh: Why the CIA had to fail (world week, 7/2002)

Homepage of the "New Yorker one"

Attack on the CIA (mirror, 22,10,2001)

The "P.A.T.R.I.O.T act" (Telepolis, 26,10,2001)
Not only since 11 September the American secret service CIA stands in the line of fire of the criticism. But the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington course-sharpened the reproaches. How is it possible that the CIA, with their approximately 20,000 coworkers of one of the most powerful foreign clearing-up services of the world, possessed as well as no usable realizations over the plans for the attacks on the World trade center and the pentagon? Why did succeed not already long, the place of residence Osama is shop, which nevertheless applies since center of the 90's as public enemy number 1 to seek out? Was the danger of the Islamic terrorism and in particular the aluminium-Quaida-network for many years underestimated? Those are the questions, which the American public places itself. A commission of inquiry of the senate starts a series from hearings starting from April to the relentless clearing-up of the failure of the CIA.

A book with the title "lake NO Evil, just published by the USA: The True Story OF A Ground Soldier into the CIA's was on Terrorism ", the memoirs of the ex-Geheimdienstlers Robert bear, brings explosive into the current discussion around the moral CIA more ler and its boss Geroge Tenet standing under bombardment. Since their publication bear memories provide for substantial eddy. Although the author was contractually to the collecting main of the manuscript obligated with its former superiors and some places of the censorship fell to the victim, the book contains still sufficient material, in order to feed the doubts about the function of the CIA. Also the film industry already found favours at the material. OSCAR winners steven Soderbergh ("Traffic") and Hollywood star George Cloony want to film bear life history.



The book

Robert bear knows, about which he speaks. 21 years long it stood in the services of the CIA, until it 1997 - frustrates and embitters - its parting took. Up to then the presenting feeler gauge, who calls itself as a "cowboy", was considered as an expert to the Near East and specialist for the Bekaemfung of the international terrorism. It was in Lebanon, in the Iraq and in Tadschikistan in use and could by its exzellenten sprachkenntnisse - bear speaks perfectly Arab and Persian, in addition still some dialects - entrance to circles find, which remain normally locked for foreigners. Here also its criticism sets: "1994 was I in Tadschikistan, at the Afghan border. From there a quantity of refugees came. Thousands. And I said: Hey, sends one, which speaks Pashtun or Dari - the host languages of Afghanistan to me, so that we can enlist and then to Afghanistan send back the refugees as agents. The answer was: We do not have, which speaks Dari or Pashtun, and which us already Afghanistan cares?"

Bear criticism however continues to aim. The CIA made "in the nineties" , says it and deplores the official mentality and indifference of the responsible persons in headquarters. Instead of setting on human know-how, one trusted erroneous trends, which kulminierten its opinion after in the disaster from 11 September 2001 blindly in the new Hightech possibilities of the satellite clearing-up -. "the CIA became the contrast its, which embodies James bond: Bureaucracy instead of risk. These people sit in Washington, read newspaper and rely on the satellite clearing-up not to make around itself in the middle east the hands dirty." Most with difficulty however weighs the reproach, which it makes for the American government - it is democratic or republican -: It would concern to the dominant politicians alone power and oil business. Their interest in humans in the Arab world expired long. No miracle thus that one underestimated the threat by the terrorism years long.



The failure of the American secret services

The criticism at the American secret services CIA, FBI and NSA is not new. It came again and again to serious breakdowns, which and coworkers of the clearing-up services brought bosses in disrepute. Above all the close co-operation of the CIA with the Mudschahidin in the Afghanistan of the 80's is considered as violently disputed. In addition, the role, which played the CIA with the clearing-up of the aircraft crash over Lockerbie, is not completely clarified until today.

One of the profundesten connoisseurs of the scene is Seymour M. Hersh. The star reporter of the renowned magazine "New Yorker one", who wrote also the preface to Robert of bear memoirs, analyzed the omissions and the weaknesses of the secret services. Its destroying judgement: "at the moment the CIA of their task did not grow." Also he sees reasons for the failure in the unconditional Technikglaeubigkeit and the Buerokratisierung, those the CIA since the end of the cold war laehme. Thus that remained 1986 after a wave by bomb attacks, plane hi-jackings and takings of hostages again created "Counter Terrorism center" despite high-flying ambitions an authority, which leads headquarters at the Gaengelband. More consequence-fraught however Hersh considers the errors in the decisions, with which the governing in Washington determine the direction of attack of the secret service activities. Thus wrong consideration for political friends led to the fact that important operations were broken off prematurely or were not even tackled.

That it cannot continue as before, in it are itself all critics united. Which consequences are to be pulled however, over it the opinions go far apart. While after 11 September the secret services in the upswing see the one - in such a way the prohibitionprohibition prohibition for agents was waived - and the restrictions of the citizen rights as simplification of the clearing-up work, made possible by the "P.A.T.R.I.O.T act", to welcome, remain Robert bear and Seymour Hersh sceptically. Bear judges of the new generation of terrorists: "those are professionals. These people are simply condemned good." And it knows that one cannot destroy a group of terror in the caves of Afghanistan with High Tech. Much speaks for the fact that one is against terrorists such as Osama shop with purposeful secret service work more cause could than by wars. But that the CIA is in addition able, it appears after what experienced Robert bear hautnah at breakdowns, very doubtfuly.



Robert bear

Robert bear studied politics at the university of Georgetown and came 1976 to the CIA. It was among other things in the Iraq, in the Sudan, in Lebanon, assigned in Tadschikistan, Morocco and India. After its parting 1997 it was distinguished for its work with a medal. Today it lives in Washington D. C. and France.



Book-tap

Richard bear: Lake NO Evil: The True Story OF A Ground Soldier into the CIA's was on Terrorism
Crown Publishing, New York, 2002

The German expenditure presumably appears in June 2002 with Bertelsmann under the title: "the fall of the CIA".