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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (2694)	1/21/2003 3:35:27 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

No-one can dispute the disparity of consumption between the developed and third world countries , and perhaps one of the outcomes of all this will be an introspection leading to action in this area . And it has always been so , and everyone hopefully agrees that elimination of poverty is a goal to be achieved in the future . Yet in what country and under which "regime" were those studies & findings conducted ? And thru which channels of media and infrustructure are these statistics and information disseminated to the world that you publish ? In America perhaps ? I think it also good to mention along side such fact-finding , that the amounts of human aid and assistance that pours forth from America already is huge , the humanitarian workers , nurses , doctors (some killed recently in Yemen ? ) are in everyone of these countries in great numbers as we speak . And they always seem to get overlooked. We are not just a military prescence in these countries . Along with the burning of the oil fields , agression and murders in Kuwait...and the 10yrs of war Saddam conducted against Iran with 100's of thousands dead . There is also the destruction of one of the world's largest wetlands in the lower Mesopotamian River basin to consider , and the persecution of the Marsh Arabs that were living there by Saddam the Sadistic: amarappeal.com You really think that Saddam is the fellow you want leading the charge of the redistribution of wealth ?implementing conservation programs that in the end will save not only the country of Iraq , but Iran , Jordan and all the others in the region? I don't think so ... the burning of the Kuwaiti oil fields should have left an indelible picture in your mind...or one would think so. regards M

To: PartyTime who wrote (2694)	1/21/2003 9:44:12 AM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

<< America has only five and a half percent of the world's population but is grossly imbalanced with its consumption of the world's energy and resources. >> I'm having a hard time envisioning how energy and "resource" consumption is measured. What are the units of measure, and how are such units quantified here and in other countries?

To: PartyTime who wrote (2694)	1/21/2003 11:37:08 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Forget about oil.... Here's a clue to the war's REAL motive: Russian ultranationalist says Jerusalem belongs to Israel Mon Jan 20, 4:16 PM ET By STEVE WEIZMAN, Associated Press Writer JERUSALEM - A prominent ultranationalist member of Russia's parliament landed in Israel on Monday amid charges of anti-Semitism but took a strong pro-Israel stance on his arrival. Deputy Speaker Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the head of the ultranationalist Liberal Democratic Party, is making the visit - his first to Israel - at the invitation of the local Progressive Liberal Democratic Party, a fledgling party of Russian-speaking immigrants fighting for a spot in parliament in Israel's Jan. 28 election. Israel agreed to admit Zhirinovsky with reluctance, and Foreign Ministry official Michael Brodsky stressed that the visit was an unofficial one. "We approved his visa after some deliberation but advised public figures not to meet him because of his anti-Semitic expressions in the past," Brodsky said. In one incident, in April 2001, Zhirinovsky refused to join fellow-deputies standing for a moment's silence on Holocaust Remembrance Day. "There are so many holidays. Should the Russian parliament stand every day?" he said at the time, using the word for ethnic Russian, instead of a more neutral term that applies to all Russian citizens, including Jews. Speaking to reporters at Tel Aviv's airport on Monday, Zhirinovsky dismissed Palestinian demands to have the capital of a future Palestinian state in Jerusalem, over which Israel claims full sovereignty. "Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, Jerusalem is a special kind of city," he said. "The Palestinians should be given somewhere else and keep quiet." Zhirinovski has been accused of many forms of extremism and anti-Semitism during his political career, which has been typified by outbursts of temper. Israel TV on Monday ran clips of Zhirinovsky throwing a glass of water at a fellow guest on a talk show and trying to throttle a member of parliament. However, Ukrainian-born Israeli legislator Roman Bronfman said Zhirinovsky was not really an anti-Semite; rather, an attention-seeker. "He is a professional provocateur, whose influence at home is not great," Bronfman told The Associated Press. Zhirinovsky's hosts, the Progressive Liberal Democratic Party, were unknown to most Israelis before Tuesday's visit, which brought the party and its leader, Alexander Radko, prime time exposure on the country's main TV channels. "Nobody knows the party's leadership," said Bronfman, who is running for parliament on a rival ticket. "Its manifesto and political philosophy are unclear." story.news.yahoo.com QUIZ: How many Yanks are ready to die for (East) Jerusalem?

To: PartyTime who wrote (2694)	1/21/2003 12:36:14 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

"plunder by trade" GAWD, you really are lost without a map or compass in that socialist wasteland, aren't you? PLUNDER BY TRADE?????? Are you serious? Let's you own a grocery store. I walk in and pay you $1 for a gallon of milk. Which of us has been plundered? You? Me? locks the world into violence and war. ?????????? Uh, war stops trade. Did you know that? It comes to a grinding halt during war. Tell me: To eliminate this evil called "trade", and particularly international trade, which you say causes war (uh, could other things cause war too?), what do you propose? That we go back to small village life with no trade between them? Can you trade inside them? If not, how do you get economic specialization? Or does everyone have to grow their own food, make their own clothes, ...... Now under such a scheme, we'll be lucky to support 5% of the current population. If that. Are you volunteering to be one of the ones who dies? Eliminate the monopolization of land, There is no monopolization of land, not even in your favorite enemy, the United States. technology, Nor that. Even more so. They key to technology is published every day in books and professional journals and they're freely available. and finance capital Nor that. Foreign firms invest here. We invest in their countries. Silicon Valley has a whole industry dedicated to getting capital to those who need it and have a good idea. You didn't know this? and equalize pay for equally productive work And how do you propose to establish that 2 different lines of work are equally productive? How? Come on, tell us. I really want to hear this. Once all nations and all people have access to technology But they do. Some use it. Some don't. In 1850 Japan was a primitive medieval society. They saw what the West had and went for it. And got it. their labor is paid equally for equally productive work More Socialist Worker's Party BS. even as economic efficiency increases and produces more wealth No. Efficiency and wealth will plummet like a hundred-ton boulder. But what of this? Amendment V. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Shall the Constitution and Bill of Rights be thrown away with your bilge water?