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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67557)1/21/2003 11:56:39 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "She [Molly Ivins] never said a word about the campaign against Milosevic being a "just war" (it didn't meet the test either). Why not, hm?"

And what was Molly Ivins saying about Serbia? I can't stand her, as she's so horribly biased, but a quick internet search digs up:

America shamed by Kosovo failure
Molly Ivins, June 10, 1999
Oh, what an unlovely little war. The bombing campaign over Kosovo has definitely proved two things: that "surgical strike" is the most ludicrous oxymoron in the language and that "collateral damage" is the most repulsive euphemism. Nothing else about the bombing campaign over Kosovo is clear-cut, except that now, as at the beginning, those who suffer from certitude about any of this are morons. And I was in favor of the whole thing.

I think we come out of this with honor and not much else. But that's more than can be said for either Vietnam or Grenada. There has to be a better way. Let's concentrate on finding it. Bombing for peace is not the answer.
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hollandsentinel.com

Another interesting hit:

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The problem is that by Doing Something, we may well cause the two consequences we would least like to see. The first is the widespread slaughter of the Kosovars by the Serbs; there are already some indications that the paramilitary squads that did so much dirty work in Bosnia are starting to work in Kosovo as a response to the bombing. The other hideous consequence is, of course, Slobodan Milosevic forever.

I can rarely be persuaded that military intervention will help anything, but I do that there is a moral imperative here. And I think the main moral imperative is: "Get rid of Milosevic." Unfortunately, as all the thoughtful correspondents on the ground have been pointing out, the bombing only cements support for Milosevic. Even the democratic opposition feels it can no longer speak out; indeed one school of though is that Milosevic has been so obdurate precisely in order to bring about this scenario, which ensures his grip on power.

On the other hand, it's also possible that sustained bombing aimed at the military will inspire some general to turn on Milosevic. The only sure thing is that after it's all over, many people will be saying they knew all along how it would turn out.

This has to be toughest and closest call the Clinton administration has made yet. This is a 51-49 call any way you look at it.
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216.239.37.100

-- Carl



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67557)1/22/2003 7:51:01 AM
From: KonKilo  Respond to of 281500
 
The question is whether it's riskier to leave him alone or take him out.

I believe this is the central conflict in Ms Ivin's mind, if I read her article accurately.

Will the end result of war cause more harm than would to do nothing?

I think the answer was more obvious in Kosovo.