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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Vitas who wrote (3104)	1/22/2003 7:05:31 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

One of the definitions of diplomacy I heard recently was how to say " nice doggie ...while reaching behind and feeling for a big stick " Agreed , there is also the carrot dangling there in front of Saddam for exile , it will be there for him to take before armed conflict starts, he could even avoid a tribunal maybe. I will feel sorry for the Iraqi soldier put in the "perfect storm's" path . This "War" once begun will be over quick and decisively.... I would not want to be in Iraqi uniform when it detonates. Saddam can step down if he chooses and prevent this , but I haven't seen him lament the loss of any of his people yet . Many Iraqis will surprise the world how quickly they will embrace and adapt very well to the sudden loss of this tyrant , and a new democratic regime . It will seem like springtime to them compared to living under "The Madman". They are for the most part educated people and wanting to rejoin the world . I think the outcome will be surprising to everyone , though one has to hate implementing regime changes, this one is for everyone's good on levels yet to be seen , especially for the Iraqi people and ultimately everyone in the region and the entire world. The war will be swift and over quickly...the Iraqi people will surprise .

To: Vitas who wrote (3104)	1/25/2003 11:16:35 PM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

>>>Thread Header: "But the Bush Administration seems poised to conduct war on Iraq with or without proof."<<< The Thread Header, originated on January 2, 2003, appears accurate to this day. >>>1. "The inspectors' discoveries follow a radical improvement in relations between UN officials and Western intelligence which had been reluctant to hand over sensitive information for fear that it might fall into the hands of Iraqi officials, thereby risking the lives of agents working in Iraq."<<< Which would you prefer: a) risking agents working in Iraq (how many and are they replaceable?); b) a war where hundreds of thousands, possibly up to a million will die, many of them Saddam's victims. Do you really favor a war on Saddam's victims, Vitas? >>>2. "The United States meanwhile gave its strong backing to mooted plans to offer Iraqi President Saddam Hussein exile to avoid a war."<<< I suspect this a diversionary propaganda-like story. Where's the beef to this, who planted the idea into the media and at who's behest? quotes from articles linked at: Message 18468736 >>>The fact that Western intelligence handed over the information at the risk of their agents clearly indicates that President Bush is trying to achieve a solution without going to war.<<< Then why have't they found anything? If they did, please do tell us what they got and where is it? >>>The fact that the United States gave its strong backing to mooted plans to offer Iraqi President Saddam Hussein exile clearly indicates that President Bush is trying to achieve a solution without going to war.<<< Hey, it's easy to back a smokescreen. Particularly if the emphasis is somewhere else. >>>As Bill told you: "The US policy of peace through strength is designed to avert war. That's what it did with USSR and that's what it will do with this Iraq situation. So everybody keep your pants on and let the process play itself out." Message 18470847 And you will never "get" it.<<< "What the world needs now is another [war bully] like I need a hole in my head!" Name that tune--lol! >>>Bush is the good guy, Saddam is the bad guy. It is solely Saddam's responsibility to avoid war.<<< Saddam is a bad guy; Bush is a bad guy. I see two black hats in this. >>>He has to start being thoroughly credible and very diplomatic.<<< Well, I think a good place for Bush to start doing this is for him to stop alienating our allies. >>>Otherwise we are really not going to have a choice in what to do.<<< There are other options. I had just posted one of 'em, just prior to your evening posts to me. Why not read that and let me know what you think? Vitas, don't let 'em start the war--it's the wrong way to go!