To: zonder who wrote (67359 ) 1/22/2003 9:19:23 AM From: Fred Levine Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976 hI couldn't get the site you presented and therefore didn't understand your post. I do want to be somewhat repetitive. The more I think about it, the more I want Saddam punished. Not because he has WMD, but because he is a criminal. The only reason that France is against this, is that they have a special economic relationship with the thug. France built the nuclear weapons that Saddam has/had, and as indicated, continue to be a big trading partner. I also subscribe to the cockroach theory--if you see one, there are plenty more. I assume France is violating anything they can get away with. Schroeder of Germany barely won an election by his Iraqi position of not getting involved. My point is that no county has noble motives, but are guided by crass self-interest. Screw trivia like crimes against humanity or morality if either money or votes are lost. In this light, the US-UK position seems much more moral and just. The votes are out about what will happen Iraqi oil, but I am hoping the humps from Elf Aquataine get bubkas. I have a LT investment in Lukoil that would benefit from nonintervention in Iraq but I'd rather see all leaders recognize that crimes against humanity will be punished. The world will be better off if there is consensus about this. Back to the reflexive antiamericanism of some Europeans. I argued with a French Marxist (born in California)that our intervention in Bosnia was motivated by social concerns. He thought that was imperialism! Sure, ethnic cleansing was a plot to get Americans in Yugoslavia. To me, our involvement in this European conflict was a statement of both the ineptitude and indifference of the Europeans. Why couldn't they handle this without the US? Clinton was hardly overjoyed to be there! fred