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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (14688)	1/22/2003 2:06:26 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I expected that you would know the meaning of spontaneous generation, being the big science guy and all. As far as "You expected me to anticipate your meaning in "nothing" was "premordial universe"" No Zonder I expected you to understand nothing to mean NO-THING. You are the one trying to slip some-thing into no-thing. that is what I have said from the beginning. You fluctuate between denying it and affirming it. What"s it going to be? "Every day, particles appear in vacuum and to the best of our knowledge, they come out of nothing. They "borrow vacuum energy" is the explanation for now." Zonder..........hello Zonder.........Is energy a thing?

To: zonder who wrote (14688)	1/24/2003 12:41:22 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Maybe you should explain a little of Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason " to greg , and the dimension of the categories of thought . Then he can go off and get really mystical on you , hehe, or maybe some of Karl Jungs theories... ...or maybe let him spin a little longer on the potter's wheel . Greg is a hardworking potter though , could be a decent fellow but for too much "religion" and dogma , but he is here to save us all , or I guess that's the plan <G>Makes some solid/handsome handcrafted pots here in Canada: calgarycraftedgifts.com Enjoyed listening to your discussions , but better to waste your time on that rascal Cosmic , he is quite brilliant you know and every bit the science geek and lives out in the dimensions !;-) He'll surprise and delight you ! I didn't want you to miss this : Message 18478961 a bien tot mademoiselle

To: zonder who wrote (14688)	2/4/2003 5:58:42 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

"You are not doing a good job of "proving" it with the likes of "There must have been a self-sufficient entity before Big Bang and hence there is a God"." To consider a first cause is ludicrous. It defies the law of parsimony and it belies every single piece of data to which humankind has availed itself. The idea is a luxury of the mentally unemployed and gullible. Every single act or event which any human has ever encountered has an antecedent. To posit an exception to the unanimous without evidence other than fancy is to wallow in the shallows of undisciplined imagination. If we posit a reality outside or independent of space/time, then arguments of antecedence become invalidated. Furthermore, the unwarranted assumption of the uncaused also urges the question of meaning and purpose: WHY should an uncaused Being exist? Why should it be "GOOD"? Why should it desire anything such that it would act to change anything? IF this uncaused and eternal entity (sigh) was at some point in space and time the only existence, then WHAT would persuade it or move it to create a particular game amongst an infinite number of games? To what goal could such a being strive? Why would such a being create the Koran? The Torah? Revelations? Hangnails? Why should it have an ego which desires it to be seen and heard and acknowledged? A God who considers or feels anything in reaction to anything else is de facto conditional and in relationship to something outside itself. On the other hand...given infinite time and universes and life, may there not be kindness and goodness in the universe attached to ability and power? I should think so. In any event...if God was everything then it still is. That which exists goes on; but the lives must die. We who are momentarily distinct must dissolve into the vast universe from whence we came...