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To: one_less who wrote (4005)	1/22/2003 6:56:05 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

Well, I think you're changing your ground -- you said at one point that I had no rights that government couldn't regulate. Now you seem to be modifying it, but I'll accept that since it's moving closer to my position (though you haven't come nearly all the way yet! <g>) So it seems that your position now is: "I believe that government has no right to restrict my right to (fill in the blank) as long as I do not unreasonably " Okay. So according to that formulation I can commit reasonable murder, reasonable rape, reasonable burglary, reasonable wifebeating, reasonable terrorist acts, reasonable nuclear bombing of major cities. I'm not sure that formulation is any comfort to me! And don't get your dudgeon up. In a sense, I agree, I'm playing word games. But in a sense, I'm not. Because my view is that there are certain acts government is entitled to prohibit absolutely, certain acts it is not permitted to touch at all, and certain acts where it has to strike a balance, with the presumption being that I have the right to do it unfettered and the burden being on the government to show that reasonable regulation is necessary to protect significant public interests AND that the regulation process is reasonable and not unnecessarily excessive or restrictive. I'm still wedded to the concept of limited government. The the citzens create the government (whereas you seem to posit its existence independent of those who create it if I follow your points fairly), that the citizens give certain powers to government and withhold other powers, and that if the people don't like the government or the way it is acting, they are entitled to change it, by force if necessary. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots."