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Politics : Long Live The Death Penalty! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: LPS5 who wrote (647)	1/24/2003 10:05:01 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 828

<< ... and upon completion has bestowed upon them the ability to act on behalf of, and as an interpreter for, the omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent creator of the universe; ... >> I call it "selling air". The biggest scan in the world. Sacrifice yourself and your family for decades, send in a large portion of your income, and you are promised an eternity of great joy. What kind of joy do you get? Who knows? Do you have free will for an eternity? Who knows? Does a soul grow older for an eternity? Who knows? Does a very young soul get an education? Who knows? Is there crime in Heaven? Who knows? Are you guaranteed an eternity of joy and happiness? Yes? When can you collect this valuable prize? Only after you die! What a scam!

To: LPS5 who wrote (647)	1/27/2003 11:49:01 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 828

No, ordination is a sacrament, and requires a bishop to dispense it. It is not necessary to complete a course of study to be ordained, per se, but it is necessary in order to be licensed as a priest. Ordination permits one to dispense some sacraments. Any layman can baptize (although typically a priest officiates), and the sacrament of matrimony take place as a result of the exchange of vows, the priest merely officiates. However, only a priest can perform the eucharistic service, dispense the sacrament of penance, or give extreme unction. Bishops (who are ordained as priest and then consecrated as bishops), may also confirm and ordain/consecrate. A license does not give you the power of dispensing these sacraments, it merely says that the church allows you too, without penalty. The whole idea is that the personal worth of the priest does not matter, only the power of God operating through the sacraments......