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To: MSI who wrote (69590)	1/28/2003 5:55:32 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Check out what Ullman actually has said below. I'm copying a small excerpt in which he discusses Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The link leads you to a detailed exposition of his writings on the subject. Go to the Table of Contents at the bottom so you can get the entire thrust of what he has said. He clearly acknowledges that destruction at a Hiroshima level is probably unworkable. The guy is not dumb, fer cryin' out loud. Get a grip. vbg. I would like to see a photo of him, though, see if he looks like Dr. Strangelove or the obscenely fat Herman Kahn. dodccrp.org The second example is "Hiroshima and Nagasaki" noted earlier. The intent here is to impose a regime of Shock and Awe through delivery of instant, nearly incomprehensible levels of massive destruction directed at influencing society writ large, meaning its leadership and public, rather than targeting directly against military or strategic objectives even with relatively few numbers or systems. The employment of this capability against society and its values, called "counter-value" in the nuclear deterrent jargon, is massively destructive strikes directly at the public will of the adversary to resist and, ideally or theoretically, would instantly or quickly incapacitate that will over the space of a few hours or days. The major flaws and shortcomings are severalfold and rest in determining whether this magnitude and speed of destruction can actually be achieved using non-nuclear systems to render an adversary impotent; to destroy quickly the will to resist within acceptable and probably unachievably low levels of societal destruction; and whether a political decision would be taken in any case to use this type of capability given the magnitude of the consequences and the risk of failure. C2@letthesuckerssweatitoutanyway.BOOOM!.com

To: MSI who wrote (69590)	1/28/2003 7:47:28 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The entire post seems a very silly rant. Tens of thousands will not be killed by destroying infrastructure. If Tens of thousands in the military fight against America many many will die. There will be no nuclear bunker busters. The microwave dude is EMP sans nuclear. It's use is speculative. And the mention of not firing a shot at the US is clearly foolish as shots have been fired continuously at Americans who were legally under UN authority patrolling Iraq. Often those with little to no understanding of technology come up with the most comical scenarios.

To: MSI who wrote (69590)	1/28/2003 8:43:08 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Colin Powell urges Pakistan and India to "take risks for peace" Pakistan wants peaceful solution to Iraq crisis hipakistan.com ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday said it wanted a peaceful solution to the worsening Iraqi crisis, and its policy regarding the issue was "very clear", specially in the present scenario when threat of war loomed closely over Baghdad. "Pakistan's position on the subject is very clear. It believes Iraq must extend full cooperation to the weapon inspectors in line with the UN Security Council resolution, and the issue should be resolved without the use of force," Foreign Office Spokesman Aziz Ahmed Khan said during his weekly press briefing here. Referring to US Secretary of State Colin Powell's remarks about Pak-India tension, the spokesman said: "Pakistan does not have to take any "risks" while initiating a dialogue to resolve all outstanding issues, since Islamabad has constantly called for such a dialogue." Powell in his recent statement had urged New Delhi and Islamabad to "take risks for peace", and end years of tension and distrust. "I don't think there is any risk involved in the initiation of dialogue between India and Pakistan to resolve all outstanding issues including the core issue of Kashmir," Aziz said and added Pakistan has constantly called for dialogue and this offer from us was there even at the height of tensions. Khan brushed aside the reports that Iran had offered India military bases from where it could launch attacks on Pakistan in case of war. He was asked to comment on an Indian news report on Saturday. "This report is simply a flight of fancy and there has been no official comment on this. Sometimes (media) imagination goes berserk. Both Iran and Pakistan have very good relations and during the recent visit of the Iranian President, he reiterated the desire to improve relations with Islamabad," asserted Khan. Reacting to other "harsh" Indian utterances, the spokesman said: "Unfortunately these statements are not conducive for dialogue as we want tensions to be lowered so that we can create conditions which would lead to the resolution of problems." Regarding the ongoing visit of President Janata Party of India Dr Subramanian Swamy, who is here on an official visit, Khan said that Swamy was an important Indian politician with many friends in Pakistan. The spokesman had to face a volley of questions over the recent remarks made by American Ambassador Nancy Powell regarding alleged infiltration across the Line of Control. Most of the journalists wanted to know why the government felt shy to say that she had been summoned, as is the case with other diplomats. "Anisuddin Ahmed called Ambassador Nancy Powell to discuss matters. When required, the Foreign Office calls diplomats and in this case it had called the US ambassador," explained the spokesman. Told that the State Department had stated that Ms Powell was misquoted, Khan said: "Her intention was not that what has been reported as even the State Department said Ms Powell was interpreted differently by the media". Khan did not agree to the reports that infiltration at the LoC had increased. "People have different perceptions. We talk about our claims because we are monitoring the (LoC). We still insist that UN observers should be deployed on both sides," he said. "Violence in occupied Kashmir is going on because of the atrocities and bloodbath unleashed by the Indian security forces; and the 80,000 graves there are a witness to this," he said while replying to a question. Commenting on the ongoing US visit by Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri, Khan said when he meets with US officials he would bring up the issue of citizens of Pakistani origin who are being asked by authorities to register with the INS. APP adds: In a statement, the Foreign Office spokesman said Israel's re-occupation of key Palestinian cities, its deliberate targeting of unarmed civilians and premeditated and systematic destruction of the Palestinian infrastructure, have not only resulted in tragic loss of lives and wanton destruction of property, but has also endangered regional peace and stability. He said Pakistan reiterates its unflinching support for the Palestinian people in their just struggle to regain their inalienable rights. "We once again urge the international community to send a clear message to Israel that its efforts to impose a military solution would not succeed and the only route to peace lies in a solution arrived at through negotiations and on the basis of relevant UN Security Council resolutions," the spokesman said. SC@adviceischeap.com ----------or---------- SC@hypocrites'r'us.com