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To: alan w who wrote (34273)	1/30/2003 2:37:46 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 39621

The All Benevolent Many people through the years have asked me why I believe as I do. They claim that for God to truly be God He MUST love EVERYONE the SAME This concept comes from the mind of the flesh with a little help perhaps from satan. First: It is commonly recognized that Jesus loved John the MOST while on earth of all the apostles. John 13:23 There was at the table reclining in Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. John 21:7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher’s coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea. What kind of description is it to say "that Jesus loved" if Jesus loved everyone the same? One might as well say 'that disciple who was a man'. Someone would surely ask what does 'a man' really signify seeing that all the disciples were men? You would have to say nothing - a waste of words and time. If a descrpition does not indicate a 'distictive' and recognizable quality it becomes vain words. To say that I want all 'married' men to stand implies that there are 'unmarried' men in existence or the qualification becomes meaningless. To say the disciple that "Jesus loved" means that there were disciples that were either 'unloved' or at the least 'less loved' Now if the humanistic assertion that a truly "righteous" being MUST LOVE EVERYONE the same is, in fact, true - then Jesus was unrighteous to love some above others and therefore found to be a sinner. No one has ever proven to me that the humanistic, cultic and Pentecostle assertion that GOD MUST LOVE EVERYONE was in any way provable or true remains to be proven in spite of this evidential and empirical approach to philosophy being widely accepted. I am fully persuaded that not only "THE SAME" to be utterly fabricated but also EVERYONE to be equally fallacious. God - it is insisted - MUST love everyone and be ALL Benevolent. My question is why? What is it that gives men like MARS and the Dog this insistent 'right' to demand such of the divine? It is best dispelled by Paul the apostle himself in these words: Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus? God has NO OBLIGATION to love any of you !!! In fact he hates some of you and likely most of you. Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. God and Jesus love some more than others and some they hate and... I need not say because Christ himself taught well on hell. I make no apology to anyone for there misbegotten premises and conjured notions of who God MUST be. I merely submit - that no one has any right before God except the right to suffer for their sins and that God Himself has shown to the world the greatest love ever witness anywhere.. In that: Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. Now most of the people that read this will go to hell and rail against me accusing me of many things... but if you can hear what is said - then cease the day - and adjoin yourself to the one who answers prayer. Embrace the Christ and enjoy the gift of eternal life. John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 ¶ And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not. 6 There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for witness, that he might bear witness of the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came that he might bear witness of the light. 9 There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. May God grant you the gift of mercy and salvation. To hell with the hardened. Romans 9:18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth. P.S. Bumper Sticker on Noah's Ark... God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life losers.... too late to repent!

To: alan w who wrote (34273)	1/31/2003 5:59:42 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

thank you for the quote alan ... here's some more , "from the top" , as one might say bible.clnk.com ;-) CO1 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: CO1 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; CO1 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. CO1 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. CO1 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: CO1 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; CO1 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: CO1 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. CO1 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: CO1 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. CO1 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. CO1 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. CO1 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. CO1 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: CO1 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. * Corinth was a busy little seaport town , full of trade and export and interests in business and the goods of the world. There you find set up the first "corporations" too. There was peace , but still a very dangerous world , much like today. regards