To: bcrafty who wrote (65054 ) 2/1/2003 10:09:22 PM From: John Madarasz Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 209892 Well, regarding the very important Armstrong 8.6 year business cycle, I think it's important to notice the AREA of many important Indices, and where they were at that time frame...and how the price levels relate to that cycle time. The following indices find very important long term necklines passing almost EXACTLY thru the levels found during the 11/8/02 Armstrong cycle turn date on Weekly charts going back to 1994... - INDU - NYSE - SPX - COMPQ - NDX - WLSH - FTSE - DAX ...so to say it was not an important time is probably an understatement. I believe these H/S formation necklines here and around the world are very valid, and will be with us for a loong time to come. They should define important resistance (and eventual support) levels going forward now for many years to come. The fact that they eventually ALL got broken at areas coinciding with the November 8, 2002 price levels are no coincidence in my opinion. Armstrongs writings regarding allowances in the specific cycle turn times allude to liquidity, volume and velocity among other factors, here and even more importantly around the world . His writings are ambiguous as well regarding how strictly actual turn times should, or could be taken... and certainly should be open to some measure of interperetation, as should all cycles i think... witness Sandspring's comments... "Lastly, let us say a word about interpreting our 8.6-year half-cycle versus Martin Armstrong's original 8.6 year cycle. Armstrong's cycle hit perfectly on the July 20, 1998 equity high. 8.6 years before that, his cycle also caught the 1989 Japanese Nikkei high to the week ; 8.6 years before that it also caught the May 1981 DJIA high pre- a sharp bear market into August 1982. Taking his cycle further back, it even hit just before the 1929 stock market crash. Maybe in some ways - particularly from a trading perspective -- Armstrong's cycle dates are more precise than our windows for catching significant market turns. Notwithstanding this fact, equities did not stop their ascent post July 20, 1998 as Armstrong predicted they would. The hellacious rally of 1999 into early 2000 thus inspired us at Sand Spring to tweak his methodology in an effort to discover a better overall starting and ending points of the 8.6-year cycle rhythm. We particularly wanted to try to do so extending it further back in time." safehaven.com Your final comment is right on i think, and the interpretation of many cycles, including Armstrong's 8.6 year, should be incoporated into each individuals own personal system and given an according weight based on risk tolerances and technical and fundamental analysis. Here's a great market history lesson with a bearish slant to help keep things in perspective, and lend some weight to my interperatation of why I think the 11/8/02 turn was an an inversion period...and long term cycle high level in relative price...aegeancapital.com Have a great weekend, jm