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To: JohnM who wrote (70714)1/31/2003 7:57:56 PM
From: Rascal  Respond to of 281500
 
Vatican assails Italy's defense minister in stepped up campaign against a possible U.S. attack on Iraq
Fri Jan 31, 1:19 PM ET

By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican (news - web sites) assailed Italy's defense minister Friday for having questioned the Church's opposition to a preventive war against Iraq, stepping up its campaign against a possible attack waged by the United States.



In an unusual slam at an individual official, the Vatican's daily newspaper L'Osservatore Romano called Defense Minister Antonio Martino's remarks that there might be some "wisdom" to a preventive war "a little surprising."

It suggested he didn't have the wisdom needed for his position.

Martino made the remarks this week as Italian troops headed off to Afghanistan (news - web sites).

The Iraq crisis has produced particularly sharp comments from the Vatican, as well as the first major disagreement between the Vatican and the Bush administration, which has sought to court Catholic voters.

The U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See, James Nicholson, has held several meetings with Vatican officials on the Iraq issue. But he recently acknowledged "they were not convinced there is sufficient justification" for going to war.

Top Vatican officials have been contending for weeks that there is no moral or legal ground for an attack, even if Iraq has stored weapons of mass destruction.

Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's secretary of state, changed tack Wednesday, saying the Vatican was hoping to convince the United States that a war against Iraq isn't worth "irritating a billion of Islamics."

"We want to say to America: Is it worth it to you? Won't you have, afterward, decades of hostility in the Islamic world?"

Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II also opposed the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), fought by a U.S.-led coalition after Iraq invaded Kuwait, and became a rallying point in Italy for opponents of the war.

"The pope was listened to very carefully, and then the United States did what it had to do," Nicholson told reporters.

Nicholson is arranging meetings in mid-February between Vatican officials and Michael Novak, a prominent conservative American Catholic, to defend the U.S. position on Iraq.

Nicholson said that if it is possible, the pope would be given advance warning of an attack.

The spat with Italy's defense minister came as Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi was returning from a White House meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites). "This visit once again proved how important the U.S.-Italian partnership is," said the U.S. Ambassador to Italy, Mel Sembler.

In a statement, Sembler said he hoped the show of unity would convince Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) to reveal his weapons of mass destruction. "If he does not, the civilized, peace-loving world, cannot afford the price of inaction," the statement said.

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Yesterday Mandela. Today the Pope.

Rascal@ lookforhope.com



To: JohnM who wrote (70714)1/31/2003 10:23:24 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Speaking of Toilet Paper, :>), here is an article from Kristol that goes to the point on the similarity to Reagan that you and I have discussed today. I know you disagree totally with this point of view. You want to go Kissingers route and "Power Politic" it. No Morality, just Pragmatism. "Weekly Standard"

Morality in Foreign Policy
The members of the president's foreign-policy team have all become Reaganites.
by William Kristol
02/10/2003, Volume 008, Issue 21

AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION IN 1976, as Ronald Reagan's challenge to Gerald Ford for the GOP presidential nomination was on the verge of falling short, the Reagan forces assembled for one last battle. They rallied behind a challenge to Ford's secretary of state, Henry Kissinger, and his "realistic" foreign policy of détente. They succeeded in substituting their own foreign policy plank for the administration's preferred one in the Republican platform. The Reagan plank was entitled "Morality in Foreign Policy."

In 1976, George W. Bush was, one assumes, like his father, a Ford supporter. Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz were serving in the Ford administration, and Cheney, as White House chief of staff, was directing the effort to stave off Reagan. Condoleezza Rice was in graduate school, doing work on the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe that would later win the approbation of Kissinger's deputy, Brent Scowcroft.

Now all of them are Reaganites. What happened?

Well, Reagan won--first the presidency, then reelection, then the Cold War. In America, results matter. As President Bush said in his State of the Union address, "America's purpose is more than to follow a process--it is to achieve a result." The result the president had in mind was "the end of terrible threats to the civilized world." Reagan ended one such threat, with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Now, as the president explained, we face a different kind of threat--"a world of chaos and constant alarm," where "outlaw regimes" sponsor terrorism and acquire and trade in horrific weapons, the better to threaten their neighbors and intimidate their people. The nature of the regime is crucial, rather than some alleged underlying, geographically or economically or culturally determined "national interest." The priority of the political order implies a morally informed American foreign policy. Thus, a brutal tyranny like Saddam's is evil, Bush said, or else "evil has no meaning"--and Bush intends to liberate the people of Iraq from their regime. As President Bush said to the people of Iraq, "Your enemy is not surrounding your country--your enemy is ruling your country."

Now, it is true that regimes don't exist apart from the various material interests and geographical and historical characteristics of nations. So "morality in foreign policy" is always limited. Necessity has its claims. And the freedom and security of one's own nation come first. But our freedom and security turn out to be inextricably linked to the character of regimes elsewhere in the world.

It mattered that the Soviet Union was an "evil empire." It matters that North Korea has, as the president said, an "oppressive regime rul[ing] a people living in fear and starvation." Perhaps the only misstep in the foreign policy part of his State of the Union address was the president's statement that "the North Korean regime will find respect in the world, and revival for its people, only when it turns away from its nuclear ambitions." In truth, the regime of Kim Jong Il cannot and should not "find respect in the world." Of course, it may be prudent for now to try "to show the North Korean government" that its nuclear program is a mistake. But in the end, Americans look forward to the day when this regime is as much a thing of the past as that of Nicolai Ceaucescu or Joseph Stalin.

Temporary accommodations will always be with us, as long as we live in a world of nations, and regimes. President Bush has no hopes for world government, or for a world beyond conflict. He embraces "morality in foreign policy," but does not entertain illusions of "the end of foreign policy."

Bush does invoke a sort of "American exceptionalism." But his understanding of our mission is not narrowly American. "The liberty we prize," he said, "is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." Americans must be held to the same "high standard for humanity" as every other nation.

It is an admirable vision--one that's moral and strategic and practical. Now all the president has to do is execute it successfully--in Iraq, and beyond. For, to repeat, "America's purpose is more than to follow a process--it is to achieve a result." A vision can inspire and guide. But there is no substitute for victory.

--William Kristol



To: JohnM who wrote (70714)1/31/2003 10:25:40 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
A Statement By President Carter: An Alternative To War

31 Jan 2003
By Jimmy Carter
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT: Deanna Congileo
404-420-5108

Atlanta - Despite marshalling powerful armed forces in the Persian Gulf region and a virtual declaration of war in the State of the Union message, our government has not made a case for a preemptive military strike against Iraq, either at home or in Europe.

Recent vituperative attacks on U.S. policy by famous and respected men like Nelson Mandela and John Le Carré, although excessive, are echoed in a Web site poll conducted by the European edition of TIME magazine. The question was "Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?" With several hundred thousand votes cast, the responses were: North Korea, 7 percent; Iraq, 8 percent; the United States, 84 percent. This is a gross distortion of our nation's character, and America is not inclined to let foreign voices answer the preeminent question that President Bush is presenting to the world, but it is sobering to realize how much doubt and consternation has been raised about our motives for war in the absence of convincing proof of a genuine threat from Iraq.

The world will be awaiting Wednesday's presentation of specific evidence by Secretary of State Colin Powell concerning Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. As an acknowledged voice of moderation, his message will carry enormous weight in shaping public opinion. But even if his effort is successful and lies and trickery by Saddam Hussein are exposed, this will not indicate any real or proximate threat by Iraq to the United States or to our allies.

With overwhelming military strength now deployed against him and with intense monitoring from space surveillance and the U.N. inspection team on the ground, any belligerent move by Saddam against a neighbor would be suicidal. An effort to produce or deploy chemical or biological weapons or to make the slightest move toward a nuclear explosive would be inconceivable. If Iraq does possess such concealed weapons, as is quite likely, Saddam would use them only in the most extreme circumstances, in the face of an invasion of Iraq, when all hope of avoiding the destruction of his regime is lost.

In Washington, there is no longer any mention of Osama bin Laden, and the concentration of public statements on his international terrorist network is mostly limited to still-unproven allegations about its connection with Iraq. The worldwide commitment and top priority of fighting terrorism that was generated after September 11th has been attenuated as Iraq has become the preeminent obsession of political leaders and the general public.

In addition to the need to re-invigorate the global team effort against international terrorism, there are other major problems being held in abeyance as our nation's foreign policy is concentrated on proving its case for a planned attack on Iraq. We have just postponed again the promulgation of the long-awaited "road map" that the U.S. and other international leaders have drafted for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This is a festering cancer and the root cause of much of the anti-American sentiment that has evolved throughout the world. At the same time, satellite observations of North Korea have indicated that nuclear fuel rods, frozen under international surveillance since 1994, are now being moved from the Yongbyon site to an undisclosed destination, possibly for reprocessing into explosives. It is imperative that this threat to Asian stability be met with aggressive diplomacy.

Since it is obvious that Saddam Hussein has the capability and desire to build an arsenal of prohibited weapons and probably has some of them hidden within his country, what can be done to prevent the development of a real Iraqi threat? The most obvious answer is a sustained and enlarged inspection team, deployed as a permanent entity until the United States and other members of the U.N. Security Council determine that its presence is no longer needed. For almost eight years following the Gulf War until it was withdrawn four years ago, UNSCOM proved to be very effective in locating and destroying Iraq's formidable arsenal, including more than 900 missiles and biological and chemical weapons left over from their previous war with Iran.

Even if Iraq should come into full compliance now, such follow-up monitoring will be necessary. The cost of an on-site inspection team would be minuscule compared to war, Saddam would have no choice except to comply, the results would be certain, military and civilian casualties would be avoided, there would be almost unanimous worldwide support, and the United States could regain its leadership in combating the real threat of international terrorism.
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Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter is chair of The Carter Center in Atlanta, Ga., a not-for-profit, nongovernmental organization that advances peace and health worldwide.



To: JohnM who wrote (70714)1/31/2003 11:59:01 PM
From: Rollcast...  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Interesting to hear from Carter.

What would be even more interesting would be if the "Nobel prop" would abide by protocol and, as a former President, NOT criticize a sitting President's foreign policy.

But of course - it is only publicized as a violation of protocol if the one speaking is Republican and the one sitting is a Dem.

Great job by Carter in Venezuela BTW... His stall (unintentional or not) really undermined those strikers and bought Chavez more time (as predicted here). Just like he did for the Ortegas in Nicaragua and KJI in North Korea.



To: JohnM who wrote (70714)2/1/2003 12:19:39 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi  Respond to of 281500
 
I disagree.