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To: Bilow who wrote (70896)	2/2/2003 2:11:29 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 281500

That's fair enough for me... Derek

To: Bilow who wrote (70896)	2/2/2003 3:18:11 AM
From: ManyMoose	Respond to of 281500

You will not be disappointed. The President has tried very hard to engage the countries of the world. They have their own reasons, I think, for putting up this show. But they know what they must do. I helped vote them into power, after all.

To: Bilow who wrote (70896)	2/2/2003 5:37:36 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>>There is no question that my faith in the Bush administration is starting to crack. But I still believe in them enough to not give up on them. I helped vote them into power, after all.>>> Weakness and wavering on the part of Bush and the coalition is exactly what Saddam was counting on or predicting. France and Germany broke the solidarity, and sending the UN teams back in also points to the uncertanty of immediate action. Countering the demonstration of force and determination the US worked so hard to implement by sending so many troops Which has got Bush and Powell and others really steamed., because the weasel is still stringing people along, delaying action, and expecting the delays to produce a compromise solution more favorable than extradition or elimination . With 30 years in power he thinks he is invincible and maybe even immortal, that he actually won the Gulf war since he still has the country, the oil and power over people . The casualties taken in the Gulf war are not counted as a loss to him and equipment lost has been perhaps mostly replaced. He has already proved many times in the past that cursory inspections by the UN can be easily defeated. He may be out to demonstrate that Bush, with only 2 years in office, is actually as some have said " All hat and no cattle" A truly smart ruler such as himself, having been elected or achieved power , would have immediately assasinated or starved all opposition ( in our country the Democrats, to start with) And if he were here, the House and Senate would be 100 % Republican and he would get 99% of the vote on any subject or poll, as Saddam does in his ( ?) country No telling what he would do with minorities.I suspect the Mormons would be in deep trouble, he might "gas" Salt Lack City. We are dealing with one weird sick person here, and should consider ourselves mighty lucky to live in a free country And are trying to provide an opportunity for others to have a chance to be free. Hopfully France and /or Germany will be back on board after seeing the "forest fire" of evidence being provided to them next week. Sig .

To: Bilow who wrote (70896)	2/2/2003 12:12:37 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

Hi Carl - just to keep you honest. Yes, you thought that there would not be war for logistical reasons, namely, not enough men, not enough materiel, which, as you now observe, have pretty much all been addressed. You also thought there would not be war for other reasons. You thought Bush was pretending to start a war to aid him through the elections, and that once the elections were over, it would all go away. You also thought that there would not be a war because Saddam did not pose an immediate threat, and also because you did not think that the US had anything at stake. At at least one point in time, you were so turned off by the Bush administration that you said you'd vote Democrat in the future. One of the things you thought was the most ridiculous was Debka's observation that the US had special forces, working together with Israeli special forces, in Northern, Southern, and Western Iraq, searching for hidden WMD caches. So it was interesting when the Pentagon pretty much confirmed this last week. I suspected that you might start to shave things once we got to the end game, so I backed you into a corner, and asked you, war or no war, and you said, no war. Don't waver now, you may still be right and you don't want to lose bragging rights.