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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4959)	2/2/2003 9:54:19 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 25898

<< Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith and others are all zealots and worse. >> You knock these extremely talented and educated Americans. Why? Are you jealous of their success and their educations? Feith is a graduate of Harvard College and Georgetown University Law Center, with a lot of experience in government and in law. An overqualified man that will do great service for the American public. Richard Perle is an extremely talented and educated individual. Here is some info on Perle: usacc.org "He served as chairman of a number of U.S. Government inter-agency groups including those concerning arms control, the Strategic Defense Initiative, nuclear testing, chemical weapons, and conventional forces." "Mr. Perle has lectured at many colleges and universities including Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, the University of Chicago, the University of California, Georgetown, Amherst, Dartmouth, Tulane, Rice, Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Oxford University." Wolfowitz is another extremely qualified man. Here is a little info on him: time.com "Wolfowitz is driven by a belief that the U.S. should use its power to promote freedom and battle tyrants. "I believe this country is what it stands for, more than anything else. It's more than a physical entity," Wolfowitz says. "If we're not true to our principles, we're not serving our national interest." Raymond, you are knocking educated, capable individuals, who are serving our country, just because they support the Israel democracy, and are opposed to tyrants. All it proves is how petty and foolish you are.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4959)	2/2/2003 11:42:03 PM
From: ForYourEyesOnly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 25898

Nobel Laureates Sign Against a War Without International Support By WILLIAM J. BROAD New York Times, January 28, 2003 Forty-one American Nobel laureates in science and economics issued a declaration yesterday opposing a preventive war against Iraq without wide international support. The statement, four sentences long, argues that an American attack would ultimately hurt the security and standing of the United States, even if it succeeds. The signers, all men, include a number who at one time or another have advised the federal government or played important roles in national security. Among them are Hans A. Bethe, an architect of the atom bomb; Walter Kohn, a former adviser to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency at the Pentagon; Norman F. Ramsey, a Manhattan Project scientist who readied the Hiroshima bomb and later advised NATO; and Charles H. Townes, former research director of the Institute for Defense Analyses at the Pentagon and chairman of a federal panel that studied how to base the MX missile and its nuclear warheads. In addition to winning Nobel prizes, 18 of the signers have received the National Medal of Science, the nation's highest science honor. The declaration reads: "The undersigned oppose a preventive war against Iraq without broad international support. Military operations against Iraq may indeed lead to a relatively swift victory in the short term. But war is characterized by surprise, human loss and unintended consequences. Even with a victory, we believe that the medical, economic, environmental, moral, spiritual, political and legal consequences of an American preventive attack on Iraq would undermine, not protect, U.S. security and standing in the world." Dr. Kohn, a Nobel chemist at the University of California at Santa Barbara, organized the declaration. "No voice was speaking against the war," he said. "So I asked, `Can I somehow make myself useful?' and had the idea of contacting my Nobel laureate friends and trying to rally them around a reasonable position." Dr. Kohn said he eventually tried to contact all American Nobel laureates in science and economics, who are thought to number about 130. But some had died or were unreachable, he said, while others never replied. Dr. Kohn said only six respondents declined to sign the declaration. He said the signers included Democrats and Republicans alike. Patricia Halloran, an aide to Dr. Kohn, said that more signatures were expected in the next few days as laureates returned from foreign travels or caught up with their mail. Occasionally, science Nobelists have banded together to speak out, usually on topics of war and peace, arms and technology. In July 2000, 50 Nobel laureates urged President Bill Clinton to reject a proposed $60 billion missile defense system, arguing that it would be wasteful and dangerous. In October 1999, 32 Nobel laureates in physics urged the Senate to approve the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, calling it central to halting the spread of nuclear arms. The Iraq declaration is to be circulated on Capitol Hill by Senator Dianne Feinstein and Representative Lois Capps, both California Democrats. The signers are these, with E designating economics; P, physics; C, chemistry; and M, medicine or physiology: George A. Akerlof E Philip W. Anderson P Paul Berg C Hans A. Bethe P Nicolaas Bloembergen P Paul D. Boyer C Owen Chamberlain P Leon N. Cooper P James W. Cronin P Robert F. Curl Jr. C Val L. Fitch P Robert F. Furchgott M Sheldon L. Glashow P Roger Guillemin M Herbert A. Hauptman C Alan J. Heeger C Louis J. Ignarro M Eric R. Kandel M Har Gobind Khorana M Lawrence R. Klein E Walter Kohn C Leon M. Lederman P Yuan T. Lee C William N. Lipscomb C Daniel L. McFadden E Franco Modigliani E Ferid Murad M George E. Palade M Arno A. Penzias P Martin L. Perl P William D. Phillips P Norman F. Ramsey P Robert Schrieffer P William F. Sharpe E Jack Steinberger P Joseph H. Taylor Jr. P Charles H. Townes P Daniel C. Tsui P Harold E. Varmus M Robert W. Wilson P Ahmed H. Zewail C

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4959)	2/3/2003 5:34:57 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 25898

<< Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith and others are all zealots and worse. >> Why are you so against a creative, highly skilled and educated man like Douglas J. Feith? We need talented individuals like Feith in these dangerous times. We certainly need him a lot more than we do people like you. Here's a little from a speech, about terrorism, given by Douglas J. Feith to To the American Jewish Committee in June of 2002. ===> "Fundamental to our strategy is the recognition that we can't just defend ourselves at our own borders. We have no choice but to take the offensive. "Our country is too big, too vulnerable too full of tall building for us to do otherwise. We’re vulnerable because of the kind of country we are: - We’re open to the world for commerce, travel and communications. - We welcome people from all over and let them live their lives as they wish, building their own institutions, practicing their own religion, living according to their own lights. - We respect people as individuals and afford them a large degree of privacy. - Accordingly, we have constraints against the surveillance of domestic groups. That is the kind of country we are and that is the kind of country we want to be. If we’re to preserve our freedom and our way of life, we must play offense, not defense against terrorism. We must destroy terrorism at its sources:" <=== dod.mil What is it that you dislike about Feith, besides the fact that he is an American patriot, and a Jew?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4959)	2/3/2003 6:06:27 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 25898

<< Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith and others are all zealots and worse. There is no other country that has the ear of the President as does Israel via the dual-citizenship advisors who are most adversely impacting U.S. foreign policy to be destabilizing, aggressive and counter-productive to the goals of 95% of all Americans. >> You mean counterproductive to 95% of all mental midgets "worldwide", don't you? <g> You consider Perle an enemy, a threat to America? Here's a few comments from Richard Perle from FOX News Sunday, Jan. 26, 2003. ===> "PERLE: Well, we can do both, of course. We can deal with al Qaeda, as we are doing every day with very significant resources devoted to tracking their activities, to trying to bring them under control while dealing with Saddam Hussein. But there is a relationship between them, and it takes two forms. One is political. If we were now to recoil from dealing with Saddam after everything that has been said -- after the United Nations resolutions, after the demands that he disarm. If he refuses to disarm and we say, "Well, that's OK; we'll just live with that result," that would be an enormous encouragement to the enemies of this country around the world including al Qaeda, including the terrorists. It would be enormously encouraged by what the world would see as a failure of American nerve." <=== foxnews.com Read the entire transcript. Richard Perle makes a lot of sense. That is, unless you don't care if America suffers another terrorist attack. Richard Perle is a true American patriot. He puts you to shame.