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To: zonder who wrote (3241)	2/3/2003 1:20:57 PM
From: E. T.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

"you are basically saying that because some Palestinian terrorists kill civilians in Israel, it is OK for Israeli state to kill Palestinian civilians." I don't want to say that, but I'm torn as to what can be done. I don't think it is okay for Israel to kill civilians, but I'm not sure your suggestions, made earlier, are achievable. My view, and it has been hard for me to come to it, is that middle eastern Arabs are, for the most part, antisemitic. They desire the destruction of Israel. The media propaganda Arabs are subjected to today, I would compare with the German propaganda regarding jewish people leading up to the WWII (note last year in a Saudi paper a professor explains the passover rites of jews as including the eating of gentiles). Part of the Oslo accord was for both Israel and the PA to reject hate inciting rhetoric in the media and to offer a truer picture of historical events. Israel complied, to a degree, but the PA never did. PA hate rhetoric never ceased. Until the power brokers within the PA start educating and encouraging their people on building a new society and drop the aim of destroying Israel, then Israel should stop its end of the killing. I've mentioned it before, I saw the footage of the PA mobs drenched in blood celebrating the tearing to shreds of captured Israelis. In my opinion, PA civilians are a brainwashed group of people and appear happy to kill Israelis and pray in their mosque for jewish death. I know plenty of jews who feel much angst over Israel actions against the PA, but never do I ever hear the same deliberation from middle eastern arabs through their media. In 2000, Arafat chose to pursue his goals through violence, though having promised not to do so. So I don't get your argument, how can there be peace if the PA choses to not to engage in dialogue. What is a land deal worth, when you know the PA have no qualms breaking their promises.

To: zonder who wrote (3241)	2/3/2003 8:28:03 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 15987

Quotes to ponder as we all search for wisdom along the way to war : The United States has the power to destroy the world, but not the power to save it alone. Margaret Mead The only security for the American people today, or for any people, is to be found through the control of force rather than the pursuit of force. Norman Cousins To be persuasive, we must be believable,/To be believable, we must be credible,/To be credible, we must be truthful. Edward R. Murrow Governments are best classified by considering who are the "somebodies" they are in fact endeavoring to satisfy. Alfred North Whitehead "Terrorism" is what we call the violence of the weak, and we condemn it; "war" is what we call the violence of the strong, and we glorify it. Sydney J. Harris 1986 It is easier to lead men to combat and to stir up their passions than to temper them and urge them to the patient labors of peace. Andre Gide It is seldom that any one overt act produces hostilities between two nations; there exists, more commonly, a previous jealousy and ill will, a predisposition to take offense. Washington Irving Small wars are always teetering on the brink of becoming big ones. Max Lerner How different the new order would be if we could consult the veteran instead of the politician. Henry Miller War is both the product of an earlier corruption and a producer of new corruptions. Lewis Mumford Against war it may be said that it makes the victor stupid and the vanquished revengeful. Neitzche I find war detestable but those who praise it without participating in it even more so. Romain Rolland 1914 No matter how noble the objectives of a government, if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion-it is an evil government. Eric Hoffer (1954)

To: zonder who wrote (3241)	2/3/2003 9:40:45 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 15987

<< I cannot agree that states can allow themselves to descend to the dirty tactics of terrorism, targeting and killing civilians, retaliating, etc. >> Does that mean that you are against the terrorist tactics of Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria?

To: zonder who wrote (3241)	2/3/2003 9:47:21 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 15987

<< ... you are basically saying that because some Palestinian terrorists kill civilians in Israel, it is OK for Israeli state to kill Palestinian civilians. >> Do you know how many innocent Israeli citizens were killed in comparison to how many innocent Palestinian citizens? Do you consider a Palestinian with a gun, or a bomb around his waste, an innocent citizen? Do you consider Palestinians throwing molotov cocktails, innocent citizens? Do you consider Israeli teenage girls, at a dance, combatants? Do you consider Israeli families, at a pizza restaurant, combatants? Do you consider Israeli families, shopping at a mall, combatants. Do you see a difference between Israeli soldiers going on a search and destroy mission, to kill Palestinian murderers, compared to a Palestinian terrorist exploding a bomb at a bus stop, a bomb which contains nuts, and bolts, and rat poison?